More utter ignorance, as you again try to paint the UK as the Avalon/New Jerusalem ideal of Blake and Malory - you once again ignore a salient point, the 7/7 bombers were British, as were the 21/7 failed bombers, they worshipped in British mosques - sweet and harmless ? - only when you ignore that, as bigots do when they try and fail to spread the hate

yes it is,
George Bush himself has stated that G-d spoke to him and that the war in Iraq was a just war. Tony Bliar has also stated that he prayed to G-d and that he knew the Lord was with him and the Iraq war was just. One can only assume that G-d also told them that they needed to lie to start it as their own people were'nt buying it

Do You mention that or the Right wing Christian Fundamentalists in the United States chomping at the bit for more wars in the middle east and on numerous occasions calling for the use of Nuclear Weapons - of course you haven't, their warmongering and genocide is white christian warmongering and genocide, so no condemnation from you


Yep, Bush does exactly the same thing - so did Bliar

There is only one G-d, according to Christianity and Islam, a fact that you are clearly unaware of in your blind bigotry, so here is a little lesson for you.

"Allah" is the arabic word for G-d, not a seperate G-d, not a seperate deity, the Qu'ran even includes Jesus Christ, and has him as one of the prophets, and therein lies the rub for people like you and your Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist bigot soulmates, the islamic Jesus is not the standardised white version of the Holy See and the Bible belt, and it must really really gall you

Once again the bigot shows his ignorance.

Carry On .... regardless

You are looking at 7/7 bombers right?

How many 7/7 bombers exactly Spacebandit? 1, 4, 6, 9, hmmm?? I would say a very small amount of people.

But, what type of people?

This was one of those isolated incidents really, and quite rare in comparison to what is happening in the middle-east, every single day.

The 7/7 bombers were English, what of it??

Naturally, there will be a microscopic amount of people within the UK with fanatical ideas like bombing, but how many do that and what percentage exactly feel like that in comparison to the middle-east?

Don't start about population either, it won't wash...

The arrow is still pointing there regardless, even if you say the word "Bigot" in a mirror

and the 21/7 failed bombers, well they failed....That's a positive, eh


What George W. Bush & Tony Blair wish to say in the media is what they say to the media.

It's a political thingy which runs much deeper than you know and think

They invaded Iraq for a reason, and religion was not the reason and never was.

But for the middle-east, there is only two reasons and that is obvious. I keep pointing it out time & time again, but you keep pointing your arrow to the West.

That is less than patriotic, and in fact quite bad

I am pointing the arrow at the middle-east, simply because of what is constantly going on in that part of the world.

Much of that area is less than civilized, when you compare it to the rest of the Western World.

I take on board some of what you are saying and not everyone in the more Civilized sector are angels But the War which is going on in Iraq and other countries within the middle-east is always Religion-Related, but the Western world is NOT dominated by religion, in relation to War, like you keep saying.

You are reading the wrong information Spacebandit and I don't know how you can trawl through the media publications within Newspaper articles etc.. and come up with these lies.

The truth is always yearning to be told and the fanatical War people which are in massive quantity, join together in a massive mob and all join in.

The troops which come from the USA and UK, fight because they are instructed to and it is their job.

There will be true believers in God within those troops and I do expect that they will pray to God as well, but the fight which happens is because the troops from the USA and the UK are paid well to do their job.

The fighters in the middle-east are less organized and it is a case of, "Here's a gun, shoot to kill, target:- Americans/British"

That could be the order to anyone. Similar to Nazism, during the ocupation eh




You don't understand what I mean.

I am aware of the different meanings, but if you walk up to a White Englishman and say, "Do you worship Allah?", then we all know what he would say, don't we?

If you talk about different kinds of religions and other writings in books, etc.. about religion, that is where the problems arise.

When I say, "We all worshiped the same God", it is actually about religion, rather than God.

What about false Gods? You've heard about that, haven't you?

The middle-eastern War-Folk fight on against very religious Americans, but why don't they be all full of goodness and choose to pray to a God of peace?

Peace is the American way, so the constitution say?

But what about those, NOT in the western world, hah?


No need to get rattled now, especially with nasty comments like that...

rattled - moi ? - you wish.,

you have once again shown yourself for what you are,

You claim I am unpatriotic ?, that is laughable.

You have no idea at all about "patriotism"


I wore this country's uniform for 12 years
I have a younger brother currently in harms way.

What about your "patriotism" ?
You seem to be confusing patriotism with xenophobia


You blame only brown people for the problems in this world, you ignore what the white folk do, in fact as you said it yourself in another reply, blame an arab for something an american did and when your lie is caught out explain yourself thusly,

I am able to question my governments illegal actions with a clear conscience.

I've worn its uniform and I've been in harms way because of it, I have earned the right to question my governments lies and propoganda, but you don't need to have worn a uniform to be a patriot in your own country.

The truest test of a citizen is a willingness, desire and ability to questions his / her governments actions and motivations.

You not only offer blind unflinching excuses and lies, you even condemn one group of people for the actions committed by another.

the group you always condemn, even to the point of deliberately lying is invariably brown as opposed to the invariably white.


Perhaps a little research into what has been happening to the US constitution under the "peace loving christian" George Bush would have been a plan for you before you wrote yet another clueless soundbyte.




What you are is as clear as a day


Patriotism in the last refuge of the acoundrel

Samual Johnson



You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.

Malcolm X (1925 - 1965)

It appeared that way, and you look more than rattled, but I was kind

I have given my opinion on the matter and the matter is War & Religion & pointing out what many of us know, that the Wars are happening in the middle-east

You keep mentioning other Countries outside the middle-east.

You mention "The West", I assume that you live in "The West", eh...

Patriotism is a word in the dictionary and I can certainly find out it's meaning on a Google search, but I remember from School-days, so neither guide is necessary


Paid for it well, of course....

nobody forced you, hmmmmm

I am defending the West in this and other debates. My motives perhaps are unclear?

xenophobia is a phobia against foreigners, foreign people.

foreign people includes:- "Well, you know what it means and so do I...."


That is unbelievable and ridiculous to say Spacebandit.

So, if 7 black men in Harlem commit a crime and I point it out, then you will say I am racist??

If the occupants in the middle-eastern Countries are brown-coloured skin and they are Causing and fighting Wars, then the same thing applies and unlike your accusations of me, look at my accusations of what is happening in Iraq, Israel, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, i could go on

It is just the way it is..But try to twist it, if you can

Point that quote out and I shall clarify the reasons for what I said and everything else.

Explanations can make a difference, especially when misconceptions takes place

Doesn't wash at all, try harder...

One man with One view and perhaps a clouded judgement because you personally have seen something which you can't prove.

So instead, you pick holes

We all know that..

It still depends on who it is and if you have been in the Army/Navy/whatever, and you have experienced something which you can't handle, it can make you disturbed in some way.

There are a lot of troops who go to war and come back to the UK in a state mentally.

This is commonplace..

I look at War and much, much more. All in the line of pure observations, looking at facts and much, much more.

I look at an area, not a colour as you continue to say

I have already stated that George W. Bush is no angel and certainly has been described as a Warmonger.

He has just sent in more troops, if you have watched the News lately. You probably know the quantity who are heading for Iraq

There is always going to be problems and certainly the USA will have part to blame, but why do they invade, eh...

9/11 didn't help, did it?




This quote is boring

not even bothering to stoop so low







nodisharmony

why does a debate always turn into who has the largest dick or fanny(Lauren) with you lot

Why would I argue I had a large fanny?

This thread seems to be mainly about personal comments directed towards other posters so closing.