Yep. That's how annoying he is, that even a Shabnam fan thinks it.

why dont you state your reasons rather than just making statements

this should be good...

As to why he's annoying apart from being a devious bitch? No problem.

His little phrases like "very much so" and "it is what it is", annoy me A LOT.

He's very cheesy. He actually said "It's not you, it's me." *cringe*

He picked his feet and ate it once.

What he does with mummy Carole is near enough incest. *vomits* Did you see what they were doing on the Live Feed last night?

He thinks any woman who doesn't fancy him is a lesbian. So just because a woman isn't attracted to his leather face means she is a lesbian, according to Ziggy.

When he wears his dark, hooded top with no shirt underneath he looks a lot like ET.

He's really really smarmy.

He's very arrogant and sure of himself.

He always tries to act like the alpha-male by standing on top of tables or chairs and being authoritive. He wasn't even alpha=male when he was the only male in the House!

He's very patronizing and condescending.

He's just as bitchy as anyone else in there. When he bitches he'll say something like "I don't wanna bitch, but... *bitches*", and that's only one example of his hypocrisy.

He constantly breaks the rules by discussing the nominations.

He called all the girls sluts once.

He snorts a lot. He does this little grunt at the back of his nose. It's absolutely repulsive. *shudders*

He always tries to make out he's some sort of victim. In any situation.


Should I go on? Or maybe you should tell me why he isn't so bad? Now that would be good *gets popcorn*

hallelujah!

1. People have their own phrases they say a lot. Charley - "not being funny, just being honest", Tracey "'ave it, and deal with it". So whatever Ziggy says shouldnt just go against him.

2. You pick up one thing he has said in NINE WEEKS. I'm sure if you were in there for 9 weeks people would pick out cheesy phrases you say.

3. So do millions of people, I'm afraid.

4. He's just having FUN with someone he trusts. Nothing wrong with that, it's all in jest.

5. When has he ever said this?

6. He wears a hoody sometimes - big deal.

7. Your opinion, not fact.

8. Again, your opinion. There;s nothing wrong with being confident - that's what got everyone into the house in the first place!

9. It's part of the game, if you've ever seen any BB in the past. Alpha male status is very powerful - everyone wants to be that. It improves their chances to win.

10. Your opinion, again with no examples.

11. If everyone does it, why single him out as the only bad person for it??

12. No he hasn't. If he had he would have been punsihed, and he has never been punished.

13. That was a joke! You know, joke..haha. Nevermind.

14. So snoring is a capital offense now? Everyone does it to some degree. You're clutching at straws now.

15. That's because he usually is (hint hint Chanelle).


I'm sorry, I'm very disappointed in these "reasons". But then, I just saw your age so I don't expect you to understand. Please come up with a genuine argument nect time. Thanks.

PS. Sorry to make you crash and burn.

You keep saying "your opinion". DUH of course it's my opinion, and I stated it as such. My arguments were genuine, and you're still not telling me why he's not so bad so....

You're not making me crash and burn at all. We just disagree, and I've just happened to give more reasons and better reasons than you have. No big deal and no need for you to get worked up about it at all.

I'm glad to have changed you mind on the Zigster. A dose of truth was all it took, it seems.

"He's a terrible, evil guy coz he wears a hoody sometimes" - lol, I mean, come on!

What does age have to do with the ''argument"?

Saying that snoring is a big reason why he's a bad person?

Do you even remember what you asked me to do? I said that even if he was a devious bitch, he'd be annoying, and you said give reasons why. So I gave reasons why he was annoying, not reasons why he is a bad person! We all have our quirks, and we are all annoyed by different things, and I just said some of the things about Ziggy that annoy me, I wasn't saying he was evil, or bad, or anything.

I love how you brought my age into it as well, as if that has anything to do with it or makes your opinion better than anyone else's, which it most certainly doesn't. If you can't argue your point in a constructive manner, don't make it personal. I can't believe I'm telling someone who's probably older than me (I assume this because you brought my age into it) to be a bit more mature about arguing their case.

Again, you misread my post, they were reasons why he annoys me, doesn't mean he's a bad person at all. Surely to make someone "crash and burn" you'd have to at least read their post, then make a constructive argument without bringing personal matters into it, before you go against what was said in it? You have failed miserably to do any of that so far.

Good luck in your life is things like snoring and hearing a hoody annoys you to the point of hating someone...reality will hit you one day, in a few years time, when you've had a chance to grow up.

Again, you continue to make yourself crash and burn by not actually reading my posts. You asked me to give reasons why he annoyed me, and I did. They're just small things yes, but they annoy me but it doesn't mean i "hate" him for it. I don't even "hate" him and I never said that.

I can't believe someone who is bringing personal matters into a discussion instead of making this an enjoyable debate is actually attacking my age as if they are so much more mature.

You can't even defend Ziggy properly so you bring my age into and you criticise me. Lame.

BTW, I didn't even know there was a section here to show age. Where is that?

I wrote a long post explaining why your reasons were wrong. I went down the "enjoyable debate" path and you just brushed it aside...which isn't at all mature. I looked at your age and now it makes sense why you cannot hold a constructive argument. It is my OPINION (you like people to have opinions, right), that in a few years time with the benefit of experience, you will realise your mistakes.

End of dicussion. I win.

In your profile probably, I must have entered my age, otherwise I'm very worried that he knows it. But flattered, that he had to look at it and use it against me because he can't defend Ziggy properly.

Hmmm...again with the importance of age somehow as a default giving 'wisdom'

You can't be much older right Son of Ziggy? I mean, Zig's only 26 [kidding]

Experience though, I agree with. More experience, perhaps = better ability to refute an opponents position. But that's open for anyone whether they're 16 or 61.

Congratulations

No, you wrote a long post explaining why you disagreed with my reasons, not that they were wrong. I stuck to facts, facts about Ziggy that annoy me, and you can't deny facts, so they weren't "wrong" at all. Not only do you deny facts so blindly, but you also make them up and you say that I "hate" Ziggy, when I have never said that I "hate" Ziggy.

I only brushed it aside because you brought my age into it. Your post lost it's credibility (because you did make good arguments before then) when you made it personal. I can hold a constructive argument because I haven't made it personal at all, so I have stuck to the rules of the forum, and I have kept the topic about Ziggy, whereas you are trying to make it about me, my age, and my future, which quite frankly is none of your business and is not related at all to how I argue my case.

And if someone's age was related to how they conduct themselves in a mature, mannered debate, then I'm pretty sure that I'm older than you are.

As for this winning thing. You keep throwing around the statement "I win", and I honestly think that you're just saying it for the sake of saying it, and that you believe that saying enough times will make everyone believe it. Won what, exactly? Oh, but I suppose you will excuse yourself from answering the question yet again (which we already know is that you have won nothing anyway) by saying I'm going off-topic when you were the first to stray away from the topic of Ziggy in this discussion.

Such a short memory you have. Hint: look up

Look where? Sorry, I forgot.

You're the one who needs to look up, and read this;

As for me, my memory's perfectly intact, but thanks for your concern.

Well I guess if snoring is annoying to the point of not wanting to know anyone, you're going to be very lonely indeed...

Again, you make up facts. I never said I didn't want to know Ziggy. And what I said wasn't snoring, it was snorting, and if I find that annoying, then it is, (as you always love to say when you can't argue against someone's point) just my opinion.

Aye, some people have divorced for that and even less.

It all starts with the not sleeping in the same bed...and then not in the same room...

Snoring can be a dangerous thing if not treated correctly and promptly.

/sarc.

However, you are assuming that the person you are speaking to requires sleeping in close proximity with everyone they know?

Otherwise, why would a person be lonely if they just disliked someone who snores?

Snoring isn't the same as breathing, as as far as I'm aware, not everyone snores.

And...oh I see it's not even about snoring.

Well, seeing as the title of this thread is:

"Why does'nt anyone like ziggy?"

I assumed you had stayed on topic. My mistake.