About 10/15 days into the show, Noirin was talking about why she didn't like fellow black contestant Cairon, but she thought she would when she first seen him in the house stating that they were the same colour, that they'd got something in common.

In the live nominations, contestant Marcus said of Sree:
"he insulted my culture, and i took that to mean, like the English culture, and i'll never forgive him for that".
http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/v...a1fec8/play.c4 (after the advert).
Does anyone know what Sree said to racially offend Marcus?

Last week Marcus mimicked Sree's accent in a spiteful way.

Yesterday on BBLB, an asian contestant from BB2? spoke about something she did in the past, saying she was "doing it for the asian girls".


All this racism, and no petitions or protests. Why did Endamol/Channel4 think it was ok to broadcast this racism, especially after they were warned about airing such content from the broadcasting people whoever they are.

I have asked this question over and over. I can still remember Marcus nominating Sree during the live nominations and I paid particular attention to his reasons. He deffo said that Sree offended his culture and I also took this to mean the English way of life. I have begged the question as to why BB did not show this on the HL show(s) what Marcus was refering to. To this day I am still puzzled. Sree took great offence to Marcus for insulting the way he (Sree) talks (in broken English) and Sree tried to use the race card issue. Now I would love to know what Sree said that Marcus took great offence to.

Didn't Sree say that he might employ Marcus as a servant as something? More class-ist than racist...someone said Sree called him a "white bastard" in Hindi, but I don't know if Marcus speaks Hindi.

I thought Marcus sounded racist when he made the "he insulted my culture and I can't forgive him for that", because only a racist would actually care that much about "his" culture. Culture seems pretty abstract to me, or so general it means nothing. If I say to a Cornish person that "their" pasties taste like **** does that count? People talk of cultural melting pots yet try to claim distinct boundaries. You could say that Marcus lives in a "Collectors Culture", or a "Porn Users Culture". Both Sree & Marcus look like idiots to me. In fact the whole house does. And this forum. We Idiot Brothers & Sisters should come together and stop the disharmony, we live in the BB house, the housemates live within us, love everyone. Let Sree & Marcus suck each others cocks in joy. Let Freddie strap one onto Lisa and show her how to love him. Let Karly smile.

Sorry got carried away.

Get that twat Kris out. He has no culture to insult.

A lot of Racism is low impact Racism and there is no reason to believe it would be offensive to someone, given that Racism is about offense caused, and not words used, i don't think complaints should be made

For instance if i as a half English half Nigerian say i'm doing it for the Nigerians out there, then i would not believe i was offending English people because they are in the magority, i am a minority, i would expect them to understand why i am saying it, technically maybe it is Racist i dont really know, but i would have first reached the conclution, rightly or wrongly English people would not and should not be offended by that.

A lot of Racism is like that. I honestly think discussion of this topic is needed in the wider society so the PC crap that we saw BB going through with Marcus over the Sree incident can be wound down. It's utterly useless and just serves to victimize people like Marcus, who clearly disliked the person Sree, not his Race Indian

Didn't Marcus refer to Rodrigo's Latin temperament the other day. Just stirring. That just strikes me as a lazy thing to say, like "primordial soup" or "conspiracy theory".

racism
my ar*e

The racism is BB10 is anti-English racism.

Freddie's manner of speaking has been ridiculed.
Slimey Sree said something anti-English that made Marcus nominate him.

How is Kris, Charly taking the piss out of Freddie's accent Racist

And what little spermboy Sree said to Marcus, was a class based insult not Race based

Racism is a specific term and does not describe anything insulting, seperate and evaluate, before writing garbage imo

To use your logic, billions of people who like their culture are racists?

I think the only person in that house to be "racist" which is a harsh description was Sree.. I ***** hate little ***** playing the race card I really do.. It's wrose than the sympathy vote.. People are mimicking Freddie every other day on his accent & no-one has said anything (I notice you seemed to have over looked this as well).. In Marcus' words, what a load of complete and utter bollox!

Actually I think taking the piss out the way someone speaks is worse but of course it's not racist! Racist and bullying are 2 terms that aer used way to flippantly and it makes me wanna barf!

So only the majority English/white people can be racist for saying something like that? Is that fair? Why should the non English/non whites be goiven preferential treatment? Inequality, this causes unrest.

A white person from a recent BB show would be scared stiff to say im doing it for white people, but its ok for an asian girl.

Rodrigo tried to use the racist card on Charlie the other day, Charlie put him right, but it just goes to show you how white people can be accussed unfairly in 2009. Infact, Siavash told Sree off about 10 days ago for similar, saying it gives them a bad name, well done Siavash.

I think Marcus is more likely to be sympathetic to Racist organisations such as the BNP after his telling off by BB.

He felt victimized for disliking Sree, who happened, coinsidently, to be Indian.

PC crap 0
BNP 1

Mentioning race or racial characteristics is NOT racism.

None of what you just said is racism.
Norin saying she had something in common with Cairon because he's black isn't racist, she wasn't saying anything offensive. Mimicking someone's accent isn't racist, they do it to Freddie all the time.

It really irritates me how if anyone says anything about culture people jump up and are ohhh racist, get a grip.

How is Kris, a Englishman ridiculing fellow Englishman's Freddie manner of speaking, anti-english racism?

Without knowing exactly what Marcus meant by "insulted my culture" we arrive quickly in the Land of Hearsay & Conjecture, a culture I have much fondness for. What he said just had an indignant "air" of racism around it.

Do millions of people actually like their culture? If you include people who disagree with their mainstream media choices, who don't like school, or their system of government? Or complain that the roads have too many cars, or that young people don't know how easy they have it? Or that Coke vs Pepsi vs Happy Shopper Cola doesn't look like much of a choice? Does Morris Dancing count as an meaningful aspect of British Culture or do you see it as an outdated hybrid import only enjoyed by sad freaks?

Well this is the nub really isn't it.

If a English person said it, his agenda would be unclear, surrounded by other English people he is favouring the majority, the reason why is unclear to me

Either

1.He wants to show support to the already well supported.

or

2.He wants to exclude the minority

If i, a Nigerian we're to say it, wouldn't my agenda be clear?
Would you not understand that i am showing support for the minority.

I do see a problem here though, it suggests Nigerians need support, from one another, which i can see may annoy the Majority. So i may need to think on a bit.

No one has yet mentioned, to my knowledge, the North/South divide in the house. Foreign nationals can in theory join either group, but other factors will influence this.

South
Marcus, Siavash, Cairon (London based)

Midlands & North
Lisa, Kris, Sophie, Charlie, Karly, Rodrigo (Hollyoaks set in Cheshire!)
(Saffia?)

Outcast Freddy comes from Shropshire (only a few miles from Kris) but talks like a Southerner which makes him a Traitor in the eyes of the M&N group.

Noirin has floated.

agreed

white britains are constantly called racist for things they say or do, but if non white people do the same, nothing is done about it.

i hate the inequality of the whole thing!! doing or saying something is either racist or not. there should be no grey area

Why is it ok for a black person to use the N word on themselves (Victor did it on one of the BB series in the DR and refered to himself as 'the N King.') But if a white person says it, it then becomes an issue?

Racism is not an action, it is an Intention this is what people don't get

It is fair to assume that a Black person is not being Racist if he uses the N word ( as stupid as this practice is)

It is not fair to assume the same if a white person uses the word, thats not to say the girl who used it in the presence of Charly in BB 7(i think) was being Racist she so was not, you could see what her intention was, but people judge the action and call it Racism WRONG

I get your point but don't you think that when a black person uses the N word they are being disrespectful to their ancestors who suffered terrible abuse during the slavery days? After all, the N word was banded about and used in a very derogatory manner. If a white person uses it then I think it is totally wrong because of the connotations but I just don't understand why black people use it knowing the suffering that went on.

If say Kris said, Charlie is white like me, ive got something in common with him, i'll be able to get on with him, you wouldn't think thats racist?