There was alot of talk a while ago about muslim veils and if women should wear them in schools, work etc. I am wondering what your views are on wearing these veils while driving? For me I would think they are quite dangerous and they must hinder visibility whilst driving a car?

I don't know anyone who wears them & I would of thought that if they hindered driving something would be set in stone about it. Are all types of veils allowed during driving or just certain kinds? Is wearing a muslim veil a security risk? Do you know anyone who wears a veil?

I think they should be banned everywhere. they are a security risk.

Yeah read somewhere that a guy wore one and catched a plane saying he was his sister or something recently and nobody suspected a thing because he was hidden behind the veil. I can understand the religious reasons behind them but at airports more checks need to be carried out.

they should be banned.
if muslims can wear veils i should be allowed to NOT wear a seatbelt ,crash helmet, as its against my beliefs.
not only that but this veil thingy gives me the creeps.

i really dont understand why people want to move to a western cultured country and not actually embrace it. wearing a veil is just purely ignorent of our culture and quite an insult because it assumes that western men are nothing but dogs who will lust after muslim women.

HEAR HEAR.
at least the french are doing things right.if they choose to live in France they have to live by french law with no exception.

I think the veil should be banned....hijabs (scarfs) are ok because you can see the persons face but the full veils are too much plus they kinda scare me.

I think if you ban the covering of the head then other religious groups such as Judaism will also face fire because they will be saying if your gona ban scarves and veils why not ban the Tichel which is a scarf similar to the hijab that Jewish women wear.

I don't agree with you. I think that people should embrace the western culture but not forget their own culture.

What your saying is that when you see a Jew with a kippa, and Indian in a sari or a rastafarian...you think they are being ignorant toward the western culture? I think not.

Western culture sort of sucks compared to others...such as issues regarding sex, women, drugs and alcohol.

nope i purely meant that a major part of being a westerner is the fact that you dont hide your face, ive got nothing against anyone wearing anything to cover their body.

as for women and drugs, Id rather see women treated as equals, and the muslim words attitude to drugs sucks because you gotta ask yourself where exactly are the poppy fields that fund the taliban?

i dont think you know what you are talking of.
i suggest you spend time in the middle east.
woman are treated disgustingly,they are just servants to the men.
i have seen such beautiful girls reduced to a life of drudgery.
and they still practice female circumcision which is appalling and inhumane.
i have yet to meet an arab man who does,nt drink alcohol given the chance.drugs are widely used as well.of course its against their religion but given they pray 5 times and more each day it seems its all ok.
its a mans world and woman have no rights.
i have lived in arab countries and have seen it first hand.
please get your facts right.
one things for sure you would,nt have freedom of speech.

No rules of religion should infringe on the laws of a country.

If the laws of your religion contradict the laws of a country its tough, go somewhere where your oppressive religions rules can be adhered to.

I may seem harsh but I refuse to speak to anyone where I can't see their full face. If someone wearing a balaclava started talking to me I would blank them, because I couldn't see their facial reactions and it's not really a conversation. Similarly if a women wearing a face veil was talking to me I'd blank her too.

They pose a security risk, they would never let anyone through an airport wearing a balaclava because of the same reason. It's difficult to identify anyone wearing a veil and it could easily just be men (or female terrorists) dressed in this gear and no-one would be able to recognise them cos they'll all look the same.

I don't see why they should wear the full-body/face veil to follow their culture when there are more subtle veils out there that also follow their culture while still embracing our Western culture.

Sorry, but if you were talking to Zachary his location clearly shows he has spent time in Tel Aviv.

I noticed that, but its still true, he doesnt sound like he knows what hes on about.

I agree with Zachary (and that MUST be a first). If someones religion does not break the law then they have the right to dress and act how they want; as long they are not breaking any laws.

LOL! Well he might just have a different view.

Personally I disagree with what Zachary said about Westernised Culture being degrading compared to Middle Eastern. Especially when women are being forced into marriages, being circumcised, forced into veils (Although this is debateable), and treat as slaves to their husbands.

Um, I have spent time in the Middle East, darlin.

Why are we talking about women right now? I thought this was a thread about veils.

Now, your just generalising, not all Muslim women are treated as 'slaves', not all Arabs drink and take drugs and as for female circumsision, I can't really comment as I have little knowledge about it.

And, what do you mean that I would have no freedom of speech?

We wouldnt be able to hear you through your veil.

I didn't mean it in that way...I meant that the Western way of women dressing to showing off skin and other cultures look down upon this way of dressing as unrespectful.

Why would I wear a veil?

for goodness sake,Tel aviv is hardly a strictly arab city.
no the christians in arab countries do treat their woman well as a rule,but the arab culture generally treat woman as subservient.you must live a very sheltered life if you claim to know the Middle East so well and hav,nt noticed the appalling treatment of woman.
most do not wish to wear the veil and nothing in the koran states that they should.! its a man thing and a means of control.
i have never seen such cruelty to people and animals in my life that i have seen in that part of the world.
i suggest you go visit and speak out loud about anything controversal and you would soon be put in your place,and possibly locked away..another thing is you dont go around calling people you do not know, darlin.!
obviously you cannot see very well or you would see the arabs asking westerners for alcohol every single day.
as for drugs,the most popular and widely available is Bango and cannabis.
another thing is that stealing and robbery is rife.
i guess you are now going to call me a liar.?i have no reason to lie but i am telling it as it is.

I do not wish this to be offensive, but I can`t stand all these rediculous clothing items worn by both men and woman in the name of religion.

All these things have been introduced through the total insecurity of men.

The veils were obviously introduced by an influential man who was torn inside with raging jealousy everytime another man looked at `his`lady.

The Jewish Kippah must have been introduced by a powerfull religious leader who couldn`t face the fact that he was bald.

Monks shaved on the back of their heads for a similar reason,only
different in that this leader obviously had one of those more circular bald
features, or otherwise had to find an alternative to the cap as it had already been reserved.

Even religion itself was mainly introduced to ease the burden associated with death..... life after death,The eternal life, Martyrs, etc etc....If I believed in miracles then I might just believe in a journey after death.But sadly I don`t,and thats the point, because I would like to,the demand is certainly there, as it would have been years ago,even more so back then before modern science.

These clothing items are so ingrained with tradition that it just wouldn`t be fair to ban them, other than when it presents direct issues of security,communication etc.etc Its stuff we have to live with whilst this delusion exists,and that will be forever, until the end of time when the world is blown up in a war,and yes, that too will be in the name of religion.

I really do sincerely apologise to anyone who finds my opinion offensive but I will live with your choices and hope you will live with my opinions.

Make my day and change my mind, but if you try to, please give me some proper evidence.
I accept that western culture is not perfect and this is not even a defence of it, but for a woman to be almost entirely covered is simply not right, in my opinion.If you tell me that its their own choice and that they are happy with it, then Iwould simply say that it is because of forced conditioning from a very young age,afterall we all listen to our mothers and fathers.
So with the veil ,I believe there should be a partial ban only .

an excellent post JC.

Thats very kind of you.Thank you.

Ban them I refused to teach a kid wearing one in our school. As lauren says it hides their identity. If they are to live in our country they should abide by our way of life. IMO