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I WAS IN THAT BB HOUSE AND I SAY: JADE'S GANG ARE THE REAL VICTIMS
Carole Malone 27/05/2007

I MAY be in a minority of one here, but I still don't believe what happened in the Big Brother house was racist. It was bullying, it was offensive, it was cruel, but what you saw on screen wasn't racist.

It was about three silly girls who were jealous of a woman prettier, more sophisticated and more mature than they were. Jealousy was at the root of what happened to Shilpa Shetty, NOT racism.

However, I do believe Channel 4 bosses deserved the pasting they got from Ofcom last week - it found the station guilty of "serious editorial misjudgement" - not just because they let the "racism" row happen, but because they positively encouraged it.

And all these grovelling apologies now, all this collective beating of executive chests at Channel 4, is hypocritical baloney. They knew full well what they were doing, they saw what was happening, but they let it roll in the name of ratings. And because of it, people have been damaged and careers have been ruined.

From Day One, Big Brother has always been about rows, controversy, sex and making headlines. It's about bringing out the worst in people. It's about putting people in a cage with no stimulus and splattering the resultant carnage over our screens. It's about laying bare the human psyche in all its gory glory. And with every new series, TV bosses have wanted more gore. Because the uglier and more freakish it gets, the more column inches and TV coverage it gets. And so all their claims that they never set out to create tension is rubbish. Of course they did.

I knew it just as everyone who's ever lived inside that house knew it. We knew that's why we were denied food and basic comforts. It's why we weren't allowed to read, write or talk to the outside world. It's why we were taken out of our comfort zone and plunged into an arena where we had zero control. And all of us who (willingly) subjected ourselves to that had our own agenda and our own reasons - including Shilpa Shetty who, like the rest of us, could have walked out any time she wanted to.

Channel 4 had a ratings winner in Big Brother but it went badly wrong, and instead of just admitting it and doing something to stem the tide of public revulsion, they let the blood-letting continue.

And surprise, surprise - they're at it again. It's no coincidence that just three days before the start of BB8, Channel 4 are grabbing headlines that are nicely advertising the new series.

How clever of them to use the Ofcom report to spew out a million sorries, how clever of them to look like they're being responsible and to pretend they're going to create a new show they say will "embrace contestants from a range of religions, races and ethnic backgrounds, showing how people from different backgrounds can live together without tension".

Yes, and if that happens there'll be less than 10 people watching and you'll hear the rustle of tumbleweed across the BB garden as the series dies a death.

And let me tell you a story about Shilpa that I didn't tell when I came out of the House because I wanted to protect her. Make no mistake, this is a girl who not only knows how to look after herself but she knows how to play a game to her best advantage. She's no victim - either of racism or anything else as I discovered the day she and I nipped into the BB loo (the only place there were no cameras or microphones) to chat about Jade's incessant sniping. I told Shilpa she had to deal with it, nip it in the bud before it got any worse.

"I won't have to," she whispered. "The Indian people will do it for me."

I looked at her blankly and said I didn't understand. "Carole, you don't realise I'm adored in India. People worship me and they won't stand for this. They'll take to the streets."

Thinking she was delusional, not knowing what was happening on the outside, I told her to get real and deal with what was happening. But Shilpa was not only smarter than Jade, Danielle and Jo, she was smarter than all of us, because she knew full well the Indian community would be up in arms about what was happening to her. She knew she didn't have to fight or to get down and dirty with Jade because people on the "outside" would do it on her behalf. And unbeknown to all of us - that's exactly what they did.

My point is that Shilpa is a tough cookie. She didn't deserve to be bullied but she certainly knew how to handle it, how to make the best of it and she wasn't remotely damaged by it. Quite the reverse in fact. Being "bullied" has proved to be very profitable for her. She's met the Queen, she's about to launch a new perfume, she's bringing a Bollywood musical to London's West End and she's planning to open an upmarket Indian restaurant in London which will no doubt do a nice little gift line in stock cubes.

So much for being a victim.

But let's look at what's happened to the "bullies".

Jade's career is over. She was publicly vilified and now can't get arrested, let alone a job. Jo O'Meara became a public hate figure and until recently was receiving treatment for psychological problems. And Danielle - she was dumped by the man she loved, became an object of public derision and now makes a living posing for saucy pictures. Those girls paid the price for what they did. And if Channel 4 need to be castigated for anything, it's for hanging these girls out to dry - forcing them to face the barrage of public hatred alone which they had to do in the face of their irresponsible editing. Yes, those girls were cruel, yes, some of their remarks were racially distasteful, but nothing they did warranted the destruction of their careers or their lives.

Channel 4 had a responsibility for all of us in that house.

And some of us were let down very badly.






nodisharmony

Now lets watch the unsupported word of one individual be seized upon by the apologists as though it is gospel. One word - no corroboration

Lets see none of them say - "why is this coming out now" like they do the OFCOM report, which has actually seen the offending tapes - even the unbroadcast material, you know the ones C4 and Endemol said didn't exist, and based their report on them

Lets watch them skirt around the obvious - that Carole Malone came in for enough flak herself for watching and letting it happen and doing and saying nothing - and now she is, once again, covering herself, just after the ----wait for it ----- OFCOM report came out. Of course the apologists can't mention that Malone is printing this in response to the OFCOM report as she knows its not the end of it.

Lets just watch the apologists roll on, contradicting themselves left right and centre over what qualifies as "the truth" and the "evidence" that supports it.

Carry On Regardless

but wait, didnt all this start when Carole was evicted?

Carole Malone has one agenda in mind............Herself.

Having slated Jade for years in her paper, Carolle Malone suddenly finds herself in the house with the realty queen herself. Carole Immediately decides that being two faced is the best policy and declares how she had misjudged Jade and that she is In fact wonderful . She has had to defend Jade's actions ever since simply to protect her own credibility.
I notice she slipped in that she gave Shilpa some unseen advice. This too is to cover herself from all the accusations that someone should have stepped in and stopped the bullying. The only two people who could have done that most effectively were Carole and / or Cleo. Both chose not to.
As you can tell I do not care much for this lady`s words and actions.

Needs some clarity



That is absolutely true


Not true None of the three girls were silly. They knew exactly what they were doing and what they were saying. They didn't click with Shilpa Shetty and they did come to dislike her quite intensly at some points. There is nothing that Shilpa Shetty had, that any of the girls could possibly be jealous of. None of the three girls:- Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara or Danielle Lloyd would ever say that, because it is NOT true. The mature & sophisticated part is laughable really. Shilpa is a Bollywood film star & that is it. Okay, to some she's pretty. Plenty of pretty women & girls about, ya'know


Incorrect assumption. It was about not clicking and was never about race either. So I shall say, "Correct fact" as regard the "NOT racism" quote


I would certainly add, that this timing was brought about, by a certain strategy being implimented at a particular time, so it would coincide with the new BB8 show. This is not so surprising really. But as yet, we don't know how it will affect things. The pasting is essential, as rules were broke by money-hungry Endemol.


No choice for them really...It is damage limitation time. A kind of funny-hand-shake to kinda make things go away. That can happen anywhere, ya'know


They certainly did & many are learning why


Yes, Jade, Jo & Danielle are the victims now and it isn't fair either


It is all there, for the plain eye to see. But no one ever thought about meeting and not clicking with Shilpa Shetty. She has supporters who had never heard or liked her before, suddenly jumping on that great big bandwagon of hatred towards her so-called attackers, who are just Celebrities, who didn't ask for this either


Carol will know, just like she said. Unless you have experienced it, you can't really say. She can now


Big Brother can be cruel or nice or naughty to any housemate. Change things and disrupt, annoy, whatever. But there will be some legal stuff mentioned, before housemates enter the house. It will be get-ya-pens out time first. Sign on the dotted line and agree to all kinds of stuf, which perhaps, you shouldn't have. Whoops, they'd say


Some would wished she had have done


So many saw that & just could not understand it either. Why let the show go in that direction?? especuilly after it was first noticed? Perhaps it was about "Money", that's it, we've worked it out


Money again


Not so clear on that point. Ofcom's involvement is a badly timed thing and will go against BB8 not for it


Political correctness and welcoming all different types & kinds of housemates, making it very, very pretty indeed


This is the worrying part, but I would say it will start great, but start to dip quickly, unless Endemol have a trick or twenty up their sleeve, which I hope they have?


This sounds almost unbelievable really?? But if it were true, it will be explosive, that's for sure. I'll wait a bit, before commenting further on that point.


Shilpa Shetty said that she had never experienced racism before and it was so strange and everything. But the story is making Shilpa to look like something more knowledgable. Very indestructable and Shilpa is indestructable, because she has a special following. Special, elite


Shilpa will be so, so glad that everything has fallen into her lap. Jade Goody said once to her, that Shilpa should realise what living in the life of the slums is like. Can you imagine Shilpa Shetty entertaining something as demeaning as that??? She has the Prime Minister & the Queen & much bigger & higher class conquests to entertain.


Today she's not!


Yes, let's


It hurt & damaged Jade Goody, but she's fighting back, bit, by, bit & intends to win. Jade will win


Jo is really feeling it, but she is getting much better and has friends & family to support her. YES, real friends & a fan-club that love her, regardless


Danielle Lloyd is amazing and she is going from strength to strength, but she is still heartbroken over Teddy and Marcus has cheated on her and her lovelife is in tatters. This CBB5 race thingy didn't help her in her love-life department, I'll tell you


More than paid the price


This would be a fair thing to do, but if they admitted this, then all three girls would run straight to their lawyers and sue their ar*es off for millions in damages. So apologies and careful wording is sorting this out. It is a delicate process, which needs fine handling, you know


The end justified the means, so the money-hungry lot thought. Sad & Sorry & now we have this New Rule book, which could spoil everything?


So they did


Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara, Danielle Lloyd & even Jack Tweed & to just add one more name:- Jackiey Budden







nodisharmony

It's simple really if these girls hadn't have done what they did we wouldn't be talking about it. They said what they said and they must take responsibility for there actions.

People can't blame it on others.

They did it.

You can either agree with that or not, but the truth is they did say what they did and more that we didn't see.

I will choose NOT to agree

since I have been given the kind choice

Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd said offensive remarks to & behind Shilpa's back, but that is what people are like anyway, in the real world.

There is no hideous crime being commited, it is totally blown out of all proportion.

What you are saying, is, you expect these three girls to come up running and say, "Oh we are the cause of it all and we are totally to blame & all of that".

Well, you'll have a long wait, I'm afraid........

That ain't going to happen. Not now, not never...

Jade Goody has already been down that road before and nobody gave a sh**e, so lessons have been learnt in that department, haven't they

Endemol chose to keep in offensive footage.

Channel 4 trusted them and look what happened.

The rest is history, but the Newspapers are more interested in dredging this thing up and "Trouble" sells Newspapers, so BB8 is going to be starting, amidst all of this and further scrutiny will follow and I am sure that the Daily Star & the Daily Mirror will spoil something.

They can't wait






nodisharmony

BUT wait !!!!! didnt the race row start AFTER carole got evicted !!

That's why I said:-

This sounds almost unbelievable really?? But if it were true, it will be explosive, that's for sure. I'll wait a bit, before commenting further on that point.


I am not so convinced of Carol's little story, however potentialsuperstar

I had to make some serious points that the Sunday Mirror added to that story. That is usually what Newspapers do anyway.

They have a new story and then add other bits from past articles and make up one big one.

But most of it is correct at this point, but we need a lot more facts regarding Carol's secret conversation with Shilpa.






nodisharmony

Here we go again!

I don't want anything from the low life scrum and certainly don't expect them to take responsibility for anything they have done wrong in their lives, they aren't capable of it. They don't have a remorseful bone in their miserable bodies from what I can see of how they have handled the whole affair.

So that said we can move on from what we can expect from the Gobby and her Coven and look at the basic fact.

Endemol wouldn't have shown the offensive footage if the Gobby and her Coven hadn't done what they did because there wouldn't have been any footage to show.

Forget everything else none of this would have happened if they hadn't acted in the way they did and people can't escape that fact however hard they might try or clever they might be.

I also seem to recall Shilpa telling Jade to her face that the Indian public wouldn't be happy about it, but was speaking in the context of folk of Indian descent here in UK.

Malone is just a self serving shill - trying to look after number 1

My my my - so acting in a non confrontational way when being goaded and racially abused by scumbags - is "playing a game" is it ??.

Wow, using that logic - Mahatma Ghandi was just a devious sh** out to make a career for himself.

All all Malone is doing is playing the race card - so beloved of Jades supporters

Not this puppy being re-hashed AGAIN.

We all have really strong opinions about this - some of us LOATHE gobby and Co and all that they stand for, all that they are capable of and all that they have done.

Some actually like thm no accounting for taste!!

The facts are that millions of people saw things take place on national tv that should never in an adult world have happened, this has been corroburated by Offcom who have given them hell over it, surely with the new series of BB just days away we can put this baby to bed once and for all

Carole Malone has given her account of what she said, that she saw and heard. The reporter would have received her information and that get's passed onto the editor and suddenly, it appears in the Newspaper.

Every other part of that post "I am replying to just now", just flies over my head and into the dustbin in a respectful way, "of course." (Non-recyclable)

Jade supporters exist, you know






nodisharmony

^^ I support Jade, but Im sure the race row began after Carole was evicted

Carole on BBBM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXPuiUp-zfo

Carole on BBLB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdOvoVfOv7Y

Carole on CBB5 eviction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd5du0YLTdk






nodisharmony

Well I still dont see how gobby and co. are the victims, they were the ones being nasty.

Oh go away Carole.

carole doesnt no wat she's on about and anyway what shilpa said make sense so whatever she's trying to say is failing .

i am sick to death of this story. i dont no what carole is tryin to prove by publishing stories against shilpa 5 months later?? why didnt she publish this when she came out. jus goes to show carole is just another a** licker. she loved shilpa until she got no attention off her.

I would say Cody, that Carole has gone straight to the Newspaper & got her story across.

It is always going to be her word against Shilpa Shetty's and I am not going to hazard a guess either way.

It is showing what CBB5 has done & the fall-out is still happening & may just not go away.

But many of us hope it will in time




nodisharmony

Hi Lil-Lindz

Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd were being nasty to Shilpa Shetty as they just didn't click with her & the very carefully edited footage certainly made us believe that.

Okay,

Now, as the footage shown has not been enough for Ofcom, they had to look further & as soon as this happened, then Carole ran to the press & the Newspaper printed the article.

But,

The part where Jade, Jo & Danielle HAVE become the-victims, is because of the scandalous race furore which followed this "Not clicking" episodes.

Something quite minor became quite major & the fall-out has turned the small problem into Jade, Jo & Danielle being the real victims, while Shilpa Shetty is coming up full of roses







nodisharmony

the scumbag bully and the scumbag bully apologist mantra :

Rule No. 1

Blame the victim.

Rule No. "0" zero

Blame the misconception

My lovely & beautiful post above explains it so delicately & truthfully & passionately






nodisharmony