The whole gay choice thing
 

Whilst I respect people should be allowed freedom of speech saying being gay can be fixed is such an irritating thing to hear.

I thought fine its his opinion but when he went on to call us handicapped and compared it to going to hospital to get a broken leg fixed was totally stupid.

So can a person who is born blind be fixed or someone who has Down syndrome be cured and healed?

He was in my top 3 housemates but ive gone off him slowly.

Im all for freedom of speech, just because I got offended that doesn't mean it shouldn't been shown on tv as it brings the issue to light.

thats one of the reasons I love the show it does actually get people on the outside world talking about serious issues.

Im glad he wasn't formally warned but being compared to a handicap was a bit out of order.

Cant wait for him to meet Rylan haha

My thread was closed :(

I only just watched the episode so...

he didnt exactly say that did he? thats been taken a bit out of context and over the top. hes not the most eloquent of people either. he wasnt trying to offend either. he didnt compare it directly to disablity at all....he just mumbled something vague about people can get help from doctors

he does believe its a choice at least in some cases and he seems to believe medical help can be sought and given for homosexuality.
is he right in some cases? I honestly dont know. but the comments on here about how disgusting he is and how ignorant and some who want him booted out for merely expressing his opinion to a conversation luissa invited him into , are ridiculously over the top. one poster has even comapred it to hitler and the nazis?

also those posters who claim some divine right to only have their opinions heard and who claim that they know for certain every person on the planet doesnt choose their sexuality but are born with it, are stupendously arrogant and in stereotyping everyone are ignorant in a different way. they also support the raidcal PC agenda to outlaw censor and ban any differing opinions. claiming thats whats good for society and thats progress. its not. its totalitarian bull**** what takes these issues no further forward at all.

no doubt holyfield and the whole show will now be overshadowed by this hysterical nonsense. we are such a dumb deluded country.

we get one small understanding of a topic and we think were world leaders who can dictate to the rest of the world how to think and what theyre all allowed to say.

granted people across the world in many areas face discrimination and torture, that includes gay , disabled, blind, sick, poor, starving etc but thats not really the case in europe. clearly bullying does exist though and i deplore that. instead of hanging holyfield we should discuss it in the mainstream.

all we ever do in the Uk is discuss having a discission. the discussion never happens because everyone gets offended before the chat has even started

How do you have the gall to call yourself 'The Truth' (snigger...) when you tell so many lies ?
The way the OP described Evander's comments were spot-on but you, yet again, have to claim he didn't compare it to a disability. He DID!!! Read the transcript, re-watch the clip because it obviously didn't sink in the first time or maybe you just don't understand things too well.
You called someone a liar earlier because they said Conor went unpunished and you claimed Conor was ejected. He WASN'T!!! You're full of it!
And the person you're refering to in the "one poster has even comapred it to hitler and the nazis?" comment was obviously myself. That is clearly not what i did!!! Oh....but you'd rather convey it in a far more over the top manner!
Do you even know what 'totalitarian' means because the way you used the word would indicate otherwise!

The last thread on this subject was closed because you started throwing petty insults around and attempting to bait other forum users.

Are you 5 years old because you're acting like you are ? :hugesmile:

Reading the transcript back he wasn't even just polietly given an opinion like some are making out. It was out right homophobic saying "That's not normal" and comparing it to an illness.

Absolutely agree with you, wil interesting when when he meets Rylan, I read on twitter or FB Rylan not happy about his comments but he said as a presenter of BBBOTS basically he has to remain impartial , but you tell it really has upset Rylan.

What's with all this freedom of speech nonsense? There is no freedom of speech. Britain has strict hate speech laws, and this is a television show. They can do what they want in regards to who goes and who stays on BB. What he said is absolutely abhorrent. People making excuses for him are just as bad.

If it's a handicap, then the government should be subsidizing every gay person in the country. :dance:

Fair point OP.

He indicated that being gay was the same as having a handicap that maybe could be fixed.
No matter how it gets drressed up, he clearly sees gay people as ill in some warped way.
That was the thrust of his justification of his opinion that people should not and need not be gay.

Thst opinion is not one that in fact can be seen as a right one.
He was out of order making it on a TV programme that is being filmed 24/7 which he clearly knows it is too.

I had some respect for him until this nonsense he spouted out last night.
His attitude if held by masses of people would have the lives of gay people made a misery all over again.
At times it is still really bad they come up against bigoted and prejudiced views such as what we heard last night from Evander.

Who's to say he is wrong though?If being gay is not a choice then who's to say that in the future it may not be changable if it's hormonal or psychological or both?His wording was clumsy comparing it to being handicapped as some people may be offended but people get offended by alot of different things.He offered his opinion on the subject,It's our choice to agree or disagree with it.

..it is quite interesting though because I'm assuming that his religion/beliefs would say 'gay is wrong' and I'm also trying to equate this with Ron Atkinson and racism and how he expressed his views, in that it was 'off camera' remarks but said in an insulting way because he was frustrated/annoyed at the time..whereas Evander wasn't, it was just a conversation where he was expressing his views...I think when someone does that and in a 'non hate' way, no matter how much people may disagree with them, to be offended/outraged etc isn't really constructive and for someone like Evander, it's more to discuss them with him in more depth and 'educate'...I wish Luisa had taken that opportunity rather than say, oh you can't say that because Evander honestly doesn't seem to know why he can't say that or why believing it is wrong..?...

its a Bible Thing.



he was warned never to do it again


But his views are now Public in the UK.

Yeah it's a tricky one. I think we've all got to remember the older generations come from the time where being gay or liking the same sex was wrong. It's only really a recent thing that people are becoming more open with their sexuality and accepted.

Evander comes from one of those older generations. It's a shame Luisa didn't try to expand on it with him and try to enlighten him a little more. It might have not changed his views but I think the conversation was viewed more of a time for him to make a horrible remark about gay people when really that is the way he was brought up to think and they were starting a conversation about it. He didn't exactly say being gay is wrong straight off out the blue, Luisa started questioning him about gay boxers and it lead from there.

Tbh I think Big Brother just gave him a warning for the sake of it to show 'support' for gays. Just informing him of how it may offend others was fine, although giving someone a warning for expressing their own views? That's censorship at its best!

Yes but its normal on TV or Forums

..the thing I would say there though, Jamesy is that I personally know of youger Christians who are very good people in many ways but they do have specific views about homosexuality because of their religion, which they strongly belief..it isn't just an 'older' thing...

The issue is actually being warned over it, which is stupid. It's just picking and choosing which prejudicial comments are aired and warned over. It's CH5 making an issue of something to generate more controversy and it's treating it like a kid's show where we are told some prejudices are ok and others aren't.

They can **** off. It's reality TV supposedly, so show it warts and all.

Great post and as an older person, I can see what both you and he means but in this country the PC thing is getting out of control. Soon it will be illegal to say hoodies, gangsters and vandals are bad people. He was pretty naïve to say what he did but in essence, it was his opinion from one person to another that was quizzing him and I cant see he meant it in malice.

He wasn't warned. This misconception is annoying me now because the transcripts and clips are available for everyone to see.

He was merely reminded of the rules and that what he said could potentially be offensive to some viewers. It's the exact same conversation that his agent would have had with him if he could, because you can't say stuff like that on a national TV show in the UK. Not only do C5 have a brand to protect but it's social suicide, and hence such a reminder was to be expected and was also justified.

But he wasn't given any kind of official formal warning.

It would be the same on Ch4 as well.

TV has to censor Extreme views, its normal

that clip was Edited
We do not Know if he was warned - to be fair Jack
but he got Told Off in the Edit we viewed

I think it's very unhelpful for a man in his position to be airing those views so publicly. I don't understand the need for people with these views to share them with others, I really don't, I mean why hurt people for no reason? He's not gay so couldn't possibly know what it feels like to be gay or "know" that people choose to be gay. Other peoples sexuality doesn't effect him anyway so why be a dick to a group of people that don't even effect him?

OH FFS, do we need to have another thread like this. There was 529 hits on the other one that got closed because it was becoming a straight bashing exercise and an argument about whether he got warned ort not. The clip we saw was edited, so he may have been warned (IN WORDS OF OFFICIALDOM) off camera and what he said was off the cuff and has been discussed to death. OK he might be a bit of a homophobe but that's his world.

Last time I looked, gays on tv like Alan Carr and the like, say things 10 times worse all the time. Vegans have extreme views on meat eaters, Greenpeace has extreme views on world affairs and the planet and people with gender issues are very verbal against people that don't sing their tune. There is a bit of a difference between a statement of intent and an innocuous comment between friends. Unfortunately it is nearly impossible to even broach the subject of gay issues on here due to the large imbalance and the added shield of PC immunity on here, so I guess we will have to live with it but to pillory the man for what he said is wrong. He should have been advised to tone it down. In my book he was neither better nor worse than the comments made by the tart about finger bashing. However on here it seems to be virtually impossible to discuss gay issues rationally so we need to sideline it as an expression fo an opinion that went out of control. But he was warned so he now knows.

Sam, it's a good discussion and I don't see why people shouldn't be able to talk about it with insulting other members.