I've started watching BBUK2.
 

I've got to say a very good start, I like how basic it was back then to how it is nowadays.

Anyway my favourite to least favourite from Launch night.

1. Paul
2. Brian
3. Narinder
4. Bubble
5. Amma
6. Helen
7. Dean
8. Stuart
9. Penny
10. Elizabeth

10 through 8 being ones that I really don't like so far.

BB2 is too old, I watched BB3 but I won't go any older

I loved that series, lol at Bubble in The Office

Such good memories of that summer and BB2 was a huge part of it :p

Last year of school, all of us used to stay in to watch the evictions with some beers before going out then get back home at 2am kip on the living room floor and watch early morning live feed lol.

Its a rare *funny series but has some really good arguments, enjoy :)

I remember how novel it was to watch them asleep when you were having breakfast

Thanks Daniel-Lewis, I think I might watch another one in a minute just to see if my opinions change.

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Penny is a goddess; Bubble and Stuart are demons.

The series kinda actually sucks though! There's no plot whatsoever and nothing happens after, like, Week 4. It really might be worse than BB4, the only thing it has going for it is nostalgia.

Depends what you mean by "plot"?

Yeah it's not suppose to be TOWIE.

Literally nothing happens and there are no storylines, which is kind of important.

"Literally nothing happens", well that's an exaggeration at best and an outright lie at worst.

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Can someone help me find the 2nd episode of BB2 please? I keep trying to find it but it's nowhere to be seen.

Someone's posted it in 3 parts on youtube.

Well then what happens? The entire second half (and a good amount of the first half too) is just a shapeless mass of micro interactions that are interesting individually, but blur together collectively. There's no forward plot movement at all.

Thanks Marsh, I'll check them out now.

What do you class as a forward plot movement?

Actual storylines and moments and other things BB2 lacks. There's no development because nothing happens, just people talking about house politics despite nothing going on.

But, again, you're not being specific. What "story lines" are missing? What is a story to you?

I can't be specific about BB2 storylines because there weren't any. Maybe if you're the one defending BB2 so much (out of nostalgia) you should be the one to mention specifics. After Week 3 or 4 there are no storylines or forward plot movement or anything, it's just a shapeless series of small interactions that are meaningless and forgettable. The only things that can be considered storylines are Brian hating Josh (which is reoccurring at best) and Helen and Paul's relationship (which doesn't even pick up steam until the penultimate week.) HMs like Amma had potential but were flawed, and HMs like Dean and Elizabeth you wonder what they even thought they were auditioning for.

Where did I say I like BB2 out of nostalgia?

You're the one making a big fuss and trying to make points so you're the one who is required to back them up.

Your mention of Josh and Brian shows that you need enemies battling throughout Gina and Hazel style or arguments all of the time. Well, BB wasn't all about that at the beginning.

The small moments, the tasks, everything was a bigger focus back then and the big draw.

Give me normal human interaction, seeing how people form friendships etc over arguing for the sake of the camera any day of the week.
Dean and Elizabeth auditioned for the experience, sorely lacking from recent years.

I'm not making any fuss about it at all, your constant interrogation would imply that you're in fact the one making a fuss.

And me mentioning Josh and Brian doesn't show that I need enemies battling it out through arguments all the time. If you stopped making things up and started to actually read my posts, you'd see that the reason I mentioned them was because Brian hating Josh for daring to be gay or whatever was one of the very few actually storylines in the whole series, and even then it was a recurring storyline at best that didn't have any development or forward plot movement. The second half of BB2 blends together because it's five weeks of meaningless interactions that have no effect on anything. BB4 did a better job of plot movement and having actually, tangible storylines and for that alone it can be considered better than BB2.

Update on my list after watching a couple of more highlight shows.

1. Paul
2. Narinder
3. Brian
4. Amma
5. Bubble
6. Helen
7. Dean
8. Stuart
9. Penny
10. Elizabeth

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Penny is a goddess of the highest order

Glad your enjoying bb2 mock.

Does he get less repulsive? And thanks BigSister, I'll be watching some more in the minute.

Erm there are plenty of storylines.

Penny stalking paul for 2 weeks and freaking the whole nation out lol.

The hate between Amma and Stuart.

The hate between Helen and Narinder.

The first ever innocent and real BB relationship was a huge storyline.

Brian and Josh was an interesting concept seeing as he was the only gay then watching him coping with a more attractive gay male come in and the rivalry between them was good.

I never got bored watching BB2 and if BB15 wasn't starting in a few weeks I would probs watch it again.

Penny stalking Paul for two weeks doesn't even cross my mind as a thing so yeah how great and memorable.

Amma and Stuart's fight was a good moment; it wasn't a storyline.

Again, Helen vs. Narinder was a random moment more or less, not a whole story.

I wouldn't call Helen and Paul innocent since she kinda had a boyfriend, but like I said that didn't even pick up steam until the penultimate week. And it ended then too.

Like I said, Brian vs. Josh was recurring at best.

awww I loved BB2 so much, I watched BB1 but BB2 was the one that really got me hooked on Big Brother. Brian Dowling as well :love: Best HM ever

There is one a-list contestant in this series, the others are good though.

1. Narinder
2. Paul
3. Brian
4. Amma
5. Bubble
6. Helen
7. Penny
8. Stuart
9. Dean
10. Elizabeth

Big Brother doesn't have to have constant storylines its about spontaneous human behaviour.

Arguments can come out of nowhere, housemates can be best friend or in love one minute and hating each other the next. I personally cant stand the focus on a "storyline" throughout a whole series.

I loved last year but the whole Dexter and Callum thing was dragged out I would much rather watch daily highlights where everyday seems fresh.

But for the show to seem fresh there needs to be something happening, and once you get past maybe Week 3 or 4 nothing happened. Almost all of the "moments" you listed happened very early into the season. And I agree that the Dexter/Callum **** got tiring, but that's because there was no forward plot movement at all, it was the same thing over and over again. A storyline with actual development and forward movement really can't be beat in BBUK, it's why seasons like 5, 6, 7, and 13 were so good.

We are talking about a series that is 14 years old lol.

And sorry but you don't think BB7 stalled for the last 4 weeks? The rest of the nation did and the producers hence them bringing back ex housemates people paid money to evict *winces.

BB2 was great in 2001 it flowed, had just the right amount of fun, friendships, love interests, arguments and a lot of actual political talk which then was interesting but now is a diary room warning waiting to happen.

BB2 was never slow or uninteresting every episode had stuff going on partly because the episodes were only 25 minutes lol but still I t was a classic series.

So underappreciated.

It's not underappreciated at all, everyone loves it solely because of the nostalgia. Watching it back in 2014 it sucks and it can be argued to be worse than BB4. There was no flow because there was nothing to flow. The few arguments there were could easily be counted on one hand and were all in the first few weeks. The only love interests were Paul and Helen, and that didn't even reach a peak until the penultimate week (not to mention that Helen HAD A BOYFRIEND.) The friendships were like, Brian/Narinder and then Dean/Elizabeth, who almost killed the show. The whole thing was a dull mess, especially the second half. Like, let's just take a minute and realize that more things happened in BB4 than BB2.

That's what was so good about it, it took 7 weeks of genuine feelings before they kissed it wasn't just like you get now when they jump into bed and shag.

BB2 is very much more adult in the sense its more political and you have to have the concentration span bigger than a nat to really get into it and not just watch it for BIG "ROCK THE HOUSE " TWISTS.

BB4 was terrible, its not called Big Brother Bore for nothing.

BB4 was at the height of my BB fascination and what I witnessed was dreadful lol.

It wasn't a gradual buildup though like you pretend it was. It went from being a recurring plotline at best to suddenly becoming A Thing in the penultimate week with no real in-between. And there's nothing sophisticated about Helen having a boyfriend outside the house.

You can act as pretentious as you want saying that BB2 was ~more adult~ and whatnot but it was boring. It really wasn't even a political series but you can keep using that word to make it sound sophisticated if you want.

BB4 actually had overarching stories that kept the plot advancing and things actually happened. After Week 3 or 4 of BB2, there's nothing tangible to hold onto. It's just low-level interactions that are somewhat interesting in isolation but painfully blend together when looking at the season as a whole. There's nothing interesting or political about it.

It wasn't a gradual buildup though like you pretend it was.: Yes it was and it got to the point where BB intervened for the first time and gave them a date in "the den" because the whole of the British public were waiting for them to kiss.


BB4 actually had overarching stories that kept the plot advancing and things actually happened Yes but give examples? What an invaluable forum member you are when whenever you back up your opinion you give no examples.

As for your first point, I recommend you look up the meaning of gradual.

As for your second point, we had actual characters in Jon and Federico, the Africa swap, the bomb scare, Jon's return, the first example of poorly mistreating intruders in The Trials and Tribulations of Lisa Jeynes (who doesn't get enough credit as a HM), Steph and Nush's rivalry, Federico failing at shopping tasks, everyone regretting their nominations for Anouska, etc. BB2 was just a series of micro-interactions that didn't go anywhere. Like, after Week 4 does anyone have a purpose besides Brian and Helen and Paul? Absolutely not.