I don't think there's going to be any punishing going on.Everyone wants the best for there own interests.Trying to punish the UK might get brownie points the hardline Europhiles but it would only hurt everyone economically.

He isn't the first European MP to defend Britain against the EU. Europe is boiling over with discontent and we will soon see the results of that.

It must be so hard for you coming on here - you know with your oh so superior knowledge of all things politics. I'll try and remember that the next time you cite the Indepentent or the Canary - the standard fodder of those on the left.

Can we see some other examples then please? There are 750 members of the European Parliament, so how many shall we say constitutes 'a lot' of support? A simple majority - 375? A third - 250? Or do we have to go a bit lower?

I don't think I've ever cited The Canary so I'm not sure what that's about. As for The Independent, I read its articles in full knowledge of their political slant and often read other sources to cross-reference its content, as I do with most papers. Again, tabloids are vapid crap and should largely be avoided. Has nothing to do with their political agenda.

It's a very British thing to overestimate our own importance in the world.

We will play ball with what the EU demands of us, this election has guaranteed that by allowing the u-turning Tories retain the most seats. Anybody that voted Tory will inevitably have voted for the poor soft brexit deal we're gonna get with this government.

27 countries are more likely to recover than 1, or if you count the UK countries individually 4.

no theyre not as 25 of them are negative contributors to the eu
i.e. they take out more than they put in
and the burden all falls on the germans and french

There is a reason that up until now we are one of only 3 net contributors to the EU, so while all the 27 members states may have their say it means squat really. The deal will be done with the other 2 net contributors, Germany and France, because at the end of the day, monitory power will determine the outcome. Everything else is noise.

Germany and France cannot afford for the brexit deal to be anything but good for the 3 contributors. So lots of huffing and puffing, but a pretty much guaranteed outcome that will be satisfactory to the UK. How that outcome is then interpreted will be dependent on political stance as it always is. So someone will always find fault.

Indeed,that is a strong point.

Also they remaining as members will assist each other to do so.

The UK will just be another outside trading Nation with the EU, whatever happens in the UK,will neither really benefit that much or hurt in any big way the EU.

The EU negotiators in this have one main focus and duty,which is to ensure the stability of the EU around the remaining EU members and for the attraction of those Countries wanting to join the EU.

It has no real duty to a Nation voluntarily walking away from all its current status with the EU,even after being a Nation that helped form the EU as it is and signed up to all treaties.

Whatever deal the UK now gets is going to be nothing like what it has now,it cannot be,or other EU Nations will see little point in being in the EU at all.

The UK will have to pay some major price and end up the lesser Nation for it.
The UK is not a World leader as to much really,sadly so but it's too late now to be that big Empire it once was seen as.

Anyone who thinks any EU Nation member or the EU negotiators are going to ensure a really good deal for the UK,which would be to the detriment of some or all other EU member Nations, frankly are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Also remember whatever deal finally set out,has to be ratified by every other EU member Nation to be able to be implemented.
Chaos looms and this is why all UK Parties with elected MPs,should all be part of the planning of negotiations too.
We had a National referendum,we should then have a National agreed negotiated deal,not just one done by the Govt.and even less so just possibly the DUP.

You're in cloud cuckoo. ..the eu is bust they're losing one of only 3 net contributors ...we pay in over 8 billion net per annum....25 countries take out only 3 pay in. record unemployment, record debts , record unemployment and we but 4 times more than we supply them ..were theyre biggest market place. if they overcharge us with tariffs we do it back and we buy elsewhere theyd loose 100s of billions ....why don't the left ever do basic arithmetic?

Nope, not crumbling ...we're crumbling

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7798076.html

Britain dug its own grave.

I know for sure I'd rather be in my cloud cuckoo land than yours.
All Nations have problems,working through them together is the more secure way of longer term success,than trying alone.

I think your arithmetic needs looking at,it seems at odds with official statements overall.

Anyone who believes we have highest employment too is also in loud cuckoo land.
If our unemployment figures still contained all the people not in full employment it would be much greater.
All the part time workers,zero hour contract workers and now as with many supermarkets, those taken off 30 hours guaranteed a week workers now placed on only 16 hour a week contracts,more part time again.
As my local ASDA has done to all staff except for supervisors and management.

Reminds me of this scene from the Simpsons.

weve created more new jobs than the rest of europe put together in the past 7 years

Yes there are zero hours but only 900,000+ out of 30 odd million thats a mere 3%.....We have one of the lowest unemployment rates in europe and we wont be saddled with the £8 billion plus EU bill nor their infinite petty rules and regulations such as VAT rises, the sheer expense that makes it impossible to dig our own coal , the failure to agree to put bigger tariffs on cheap illegal chinese steel. I notice too they havent shown their accounts for 20 years? That doesnt bother you either?

Try and do some basic maths

spoken like a true patriot lol

Patriotism is for fools that want to silence people that don't think the same way they do.

How many are in part time work.
You do the maths,.

The problem is you nor I can as real figures are not made known.

However in just one store and clearly likely across most Asdas, people have had 14 hours removed from their guaranteed working week.

Is 16 hours and less in a full time job to you.
It isn't to me.
The number of those kind if hours jobs being created are the rising number.

That's not real full emplyment creation of jobs at all.
People in part time work used to be still considered as looking for full time work, not fully employed at all.

You may be happy with that but don't claim good creation of jobs which a great rising number of are part time and zero hours ones.

yes thats the trouble with socialists

People are being very naive if they think the EU can punish the UK. Its a 2 way relationship and if they were to punish us, it would mean punishing themselves too.

We have traded amongst europe for a long long time, that isn't going to stop. We did it before we joined the common market and we will do it again on leaving.


Trade deals and conditions are always subject to change, and they will change and evolve through the years. All that is agreed for 2 years time is a starting position. No need for panic from any side.

exactly its just a business deal...it probably wont even take as long as some expect

When it opened its borders to all and sundry.

There's room for a lot more crumbling with a hard-line left wing activist at no 10.

UK and EU will benefit from a good Brexit deal
 

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...efit-brexit-eu

Some more positivity instead of all the ridiculous scaremongering. We make our own success - all this whining like babies will achieve nothing.

Then stop doing that :shrug:

The EU was crumbling earlier... realised now they effectively have us by the short and curlies eh?