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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier
(Post 10037609)
I'm not talking about the basics like washing your own clothes or how to make a food budget...
We're several generations deep into a society that has been deliberately driven towards debt by giant multinational financial institutions... So sure, in an ideal world parents would be prepping their kids thoroughly for this stuff, but in many cases they aren't. In many cases they don't even know how to do it for themselves, so how could they? I'm not talking about classes where someone stands at the front and says "don't get debts... Debts are bad, mmkay?" I'm talking about classes where things like loan terms, interest rates, potential consequences etc. are taught clearly by qualified financial experts. Parents can't teach these things because frankly, the majority of the time, they don't understand most of it themselves. These things have been deliberately obfuscated for decades.
And even if parents should do it, but aren't doing it, then what? "Tough ****, your parents shoulda taught you, toughen up!" is not an approach that works. It's an approach that leads to mental health problems and increases in suicide. We know this already.
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I think you have the right assertion, but I don't agree with your assessment of the solution. The next generation is learning from the failures of the past, and vice-versa, so there will be some pick up there by the parents as it will be reinforced by their own experiences, hence modifying culture. However, putting further pressure on the schools to tackle these issue(s) is what created the one-size-fits-all monster approach in the first place...
The schools already do pick up for a great deal, especially in the way of financial resources and providing lessons in class. When I was in, these resources were re-offered to me on a regular basis and we were often pointed to these opportunities in classes and encouraged to seek them out. All one has to do is take advantage. However, expecting now schools must play financial advisors as well as the multitude of other social work they currently provide, that's why we have a declining educational system in the first place... typically that's what counselors were expected to do, except now they must also play a mental health role now and with so many different things to screen, it's more pressure. We had visiting advisors, the counselors would arrange these visits and we would have these programs in certain grades. Maybe the UK differs, but here I do feel like the resources are already adequate.
My other thought, because past generations were encouraged to be more self-sufficient and independent, the emotional maturity was that much higher. Therefore tackling these social and life issues and knowing how to use the information in a practical ways came much faster to those generations. It also helped to alleviate them of the burden of isolation, which helped to sustain their mental health while also enduring the trials of the young, as it gave them a perspective to feel the stepping stones under their feet, rather than just assuming things based on arbitrary and superficial messaging that is currently prominent throughout our society.
The last issue, culture and family structures emphasizes dependence in place of personal refinement and true independence (not just the pop culture variety), which means a person of 18 is far less mature than a person who was 18 even 40 years ago.
We already have more resources and information at our fingertips than any prior generation that has ever existed in the history of mankind, thanks to the internet. There's also exposure to other ideas in the form of online or even just supplemental readings that can be assigned in school, but it's not like educational opportunities are just restricted to the school systems now. Critical information is much more accessible than ever. They teach trades in community colleges for example here, and those are thriving in the US atm. Two colleges here have opened new campuses in my area as many folk have figured out they can go there to get a much cheaper education and they can also get access to trades through there as well... so the options are there.
Basically, where we differ on the problem, I see it as emotional development and mental health go hand in hand and it's the emotional development is where I think the ball is being dropped, not education. Emotional development plays a key role in fiscal outcomes as well. Schools can provide the tools by offering classes, services, counseling and host college/financial advisors on campus, which many do (and they all should imo). However, assuming the schools can do enough on their own to supplement poor parental involvement and the variety of other emotional deficits that are out there in society is not realistic. Schools have too many students to cater to in this specific of a way. The bar would have to lowered again and again in order to facilitate the kind of environment needed to help those who are not as emotionally self-sufficient. This is why education has declined overall, and has settled to focusing on becoming a college student mill, as these pathways are easier to target overall (and more likely to help many) and they can't possibly adequately address the specific needs of individual students when student populations are ever-growing and needs never-ending. So I think they try their best, but imo, they already do too much and not as well...