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Old 16-04-2019, 10:05 AM #42
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Originally Posted by bitontheslide View Post
this is a good example of where "doing the right thing" within a civilised society becomes difficult. We have a set of standards that are meant for the benefit of all, but sometimes those standards conflict with what the situation deserves.

We cannot discard our rights that we provide to individuals based on 1 case when it is there to benefit the many.

She is/was a UK citizen, she doesn't have any income, she is therefore entitled to legal representation to fight her case, whether we think she is guilty or not. In the general scheme of things, if her citizenship was taken away unjustly then as a civilised nation, she has the right to have it re-instated.

If she does end up coming back here, it doesn't mean she shouldn't be monitored to ensure she doesn't cause further trouble, there is clearly a big red flag against her for her actions, but that may be the limit of what a civilised nation can do in order to protect the freedoms of the many.
So, give her Legal Aid, and then spend the rest of her like paying to have her monitored? Why should we do that?

We are a civilised nation... and if you want proof of that look at any Islamic country... have the legal right to strip someone of their citizenship when it for the greater good. And that's what we have done. Let in one terrorist, might as well let them all in. I'm sure they've all got sob stories as to why they should be allowed back. There are plenty of organisations who are happy to do pro bono legal work for all kinds of questionable characters ... maybe she could rely on one of those? Or perhaps her pareents/family/community could stump up the cash. But no, we're going to let her milk the pockets of the people she hated enough to leave. With all the decent people dying and being persecuted in the world, why are we worrying about this woman, who said, on camera, that the Manchester bombing was "justified?

Like I said, maybe look at some of the cases that get turned down for Legal Aid to see why this award is cynical.
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