[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

so have anal sex consensually if your partmer says stop and you dont instantly stop and take 3 seconds to stop, that rape is just as bad as mugging someone on the street, hitting them over the head and dragging them into the woods to be gand raped and left for dead? according to your logic these 2 incidents are just as bad as each other and exactly the same? ???????????? really???

maybe you should ask the victims of date rape and not me. ask them dude. maybe you should spend less time defending rape as if it's just some kind of ACCIDENT that happens, and talk to actual victims. The way you are responding in this thread makes it sound like rape is sometimes just an ACCIDENT.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

maybe you should ask the victims of date rape and not me. ask them dude. maybe you should spend less time defending rape as if it's just some kind of ACCIDENT that happens, and talk to actual victims. The way you are responding in this thread makes it sound like rape is sometimes just an ACCIDENT.

No, this is exactly what the professor means. by stating that there is varying degrees of violence attached to rape that is not an endorsement of rape in any degree.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No, this is exactly what the professor means. by stating that there is varying degrees of violence attached to rape that is not an endorsement of rape in any degree.

except that it is, because it's basically excusing some types of rape as "not that bad" Think of how much worse it would be! Some rape victims weren't raped THAT BADLY!

he doesn't get that his words are basically saying, sometimes rape "isn't THAT bad". maybe we shouldn't use the word rape, cause sometimes guys just ****ed a girl against her will, but he didn't beat the hell out of her, or stab her, so its not THAT bad.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

except that it is, because it's basically excusing some types of rape as "not that bad" Think of how much worse it would be! Some rape victims weren't raped THAT BADLY!

he doesn't get that his words are basically saying, sometimes rape "isn't THAT bad".

It's still bad... that's never been in dispute.
Dr micheal Stone devised a scale of evil for psychopaths from 1-22, if it is possible to 'rank' them why not rapists and peadophiles?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's still bad... that's never been in dispute.
Dr micheal Stone devised a scale of evil for psychopaths from 1-22, if it is possible to 'rank' them why not rapists and peadophiles?

the point is everyone is an individual, and were victimized as individuals. who the **** is richard dawkins to judge how bad a rape is? or tell anyone how much of a victim they are?

I'm an athiest, but Richard Dawkins doesn't speak for me.

[Kizzy]

Logically I think his theory only makes sense if you take the victim out of the equation and are left with the rapist and the question of intent.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Logically I think his theory only makes sense if you take the victim out of the equation and are left with the rapist and the question of intent.

well said Kizzy. What does it say about him that he only sees the crime and not the victim? That he can see the impact of a crime only as the act itself, and not the impact on the victim. He doesn't seem to have any concept of people as individuals, or that you can commit the same exact crime on 50 different people and it will have 50 different impacts, because only Richard Dawkins exists in Richard Dawkins head. He's a prick.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

well said Kizzy. What does it say about him that he only sees the crime and not the victim? That he can see the impact of a crime only as the act itself, and not the impact on the victim. He doesn't seem to have any concept of people as individuals, or that you can commit the same exact crime on 50 different people and it will have 50 different impacts, because only Richard Dawkins exists in Richard Dawkins head. He's a prick.

To be fair to him lots of people do that, criminologists do this as do those who work in law I suppose.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

the point is everyone is an individual, and were victimized as individuals. who the **** is richard dawkins to judge how bad a rape is? or tell anyone how much of a victim they are?

I'm an athiest, but Richard Dawkins doesn't speak for me.

who are you to judge? who is anyone?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

maybe you should ask the victims of date rape and not me. ask them dude. maybe you should spend less time defending rape as if it's just some kind of ACCIDENT that happens, and talk to actual victims. The way you are responding in this thread makes it sound like rape is sometimes just an ACCIDENT.

no im asking you dude