[RichardG]

Originally Posted by the truth

thank goodness for that, judging by your last post it appears youd be in serious trouble if they did

tbh I'd be screwed if a child mugged me let alone a teenager, let's hope it never happens eh

[the truth]

angry women do have a habit of throwing things at men , starting with drinks them saucepans etc for some reasons its considered oh so hilarious but it can soon escalate, every human has a right to defend himself

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i don't understand the debate. a girl half his size is getting beat on. she wasn't violent, her hands were always loose, she didn't have any weapons. any guy that feels threatened by that girl is a pathetic little bitch.

That guy should be in jail.

Yeah, hitting him on the back of the head with a shoe isn't violent.

[GiRTh]

Old film This one is better

Youtube video

To the original clip. She was aggressive so her aggression was met with his aggression. Theres nothing I see here about being scared. I dont think that factors into this at all. Aggression is very often met with further aggression. So if you dont want someone to be aggressive toward you it is a very good idea to not become aggressive toward them.

[Shaun]

I've always been of the stance that if I'm being attacked I'm going to hit back tbh

evenespecially if it's a bloody child!!!!!!!! (ok maybe not i'd just push them over and laugh and call them a nerd and then steal their phone)

[Ammi]

..I don't know, maybe my thought process is a bit off with this but I don't really see that much difference between this thing and another thread that I've just read with a bullfighter being hurt because the bull 'fought back' and then that being praised because obviously the bull is bigger/stronger/more physically powerful etc...but the same thing in that a bull in a bull ring..'an innocent' is being taunted, provoked, tormented for a reaction etc, etc...

...with this, to me it's much the same, the guy is being bullied by the females because of a jacket he is wearing...not even staying with that verbal bullying, the female was the first one who became physical, both with 'jacket guy' and another guy who was filming it on his phone when she knocked the phone out of his hands...so she also 'picked' on 'bigger and stronger', didn't she/same as the bullfighter and then obviously would come off a little worse for wear for that for her taunting and bullying....

..anyways, I'm glad that all charges against him were dropped, I watched the vid afterwards when it showed his own injuries and not only had she cut his ear..(behind it..) when she struck him but her shoe heal came very close to his eye and could have actually taken his eye out, maybe then his reaction would have seen to be more justified..?...what I always feel sad about with things like this/and I've seen similar 'faked' social experiment type vids...is that there was very little reaction from the people on the train while she was both verbally and physically abusing him...it wasn't until he struck her back that the hell broke loose, type thing and others started to intervene...and I hate that, that a perceived 'victim' has to appear the more vulnerable....he was very much a victim of verbal and physical bullying and he 'fought back'....and really I can't see any fault in him for doing that....

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't know, maybe my thought process is a bit off with this but I don't really see that much difference between this thing and another thread that I've just read with a bullfighter being hurt because the bull 'fought back' and then that being praised because obviously the bull is bigger/stronger/more physically powerful etc...but the same thing in that a bull in a bull ring..'an innocent' is being taunted, provoked, tormented for a reaction etc, etc...

...with this, to me it's much the same, the guy is being bullied by the females because of a jacket he is wearing...not even staying with that verbal bullying, the female was the first one who became physical, both with 'jacket guy' and another guy who was filming it on his phone when she knocked the phone out of his hands...so she also 'picked' on 'bigger and stronger', didn't she/same as the bullfighter and then obviously would come off a little worse for wear for that for her taunting and bullying....

..anyways, I'm glad that all charges against him were dropped, I watched the vid afterwards when it showed his own injuries and not only had she cut his ear..(behind it..) when she struck him but her shoe heal came very close to his eye and could have actually taken his eye out, maybe then his reaction would have seen to be more justified..?...what I always feel sad about with things like this/and I've seen similar 'faked' social experiment type vids...is that there was very little reaction from the people on the train while she was both verbally and physically abusing him...it wasn't until he struck her back that the hell broke loose, type thing and others started to intervene...and I hate that, that a perceived 'victim' has to appear the more vulnerable....he was very much a victim of verbal and physical bullying and he 'fought back'....and really I can't see any fault in him for doing that....

You speak with such wisdom again Ammi.

Bullying IS bullying, and bullies ARE bullies, whether the victim is physically or mentally superior to the aggressor is totally immaterial.

Restraint or containment of an attacker is fine when the attacker is alone, but a foolish and dangerous tactic when the aggressor has cronies and you are alone - then the only sensible tactic is to disable the aggressor so as to be able to 'deal' with the inevitable attack from his/her 'mates'.

'Knock them bullies down like ninepins son - even the odds one by one. Don't worry 'bout what some might say, just so long as YOU live to walk away'. --- That's what my old grandpappy used to say.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I've always been of the stance that if I'm being attacked I'm going to hit back tbh

evenespecially if it's a bloody child!!!!!!!! (ok maybe not i'd just push them over and laugh and call them a nerd and then steal their phone)

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I don't know, maybe my thought process is a bit off with this but I don't really see that much difference between this thing and another thread that I've just read with a bullfighter being hurt because the bull 'fought back' and then that being praised because obviously the bull is bigger/stronger/more physically powerful etc...but the same thing in that a bull in a bull ring..'an innocent' is being taunted, provoked, tormented for a reaction etc, etc...

...with this, to me it's much the same, the guy is being bullied by the females because of a jacket he is wearing...not even staying with that verbal bullying, the female was the first one who became physical, both with 'jacket guy' and another guy who was filming it on his phone when she knocked the phone out of his hands...so she also 'picked' on 'bigger and stronger', didn't she/same as the bullfighter and then obviously would come off a little worse for wear for that for her taunting and bullying....

..anyways, I'm glad that all charges against him were dropped, I watched the vid afterwards when it showed his own injuries and not only had she cut his ear..(behind it..) when she struck him but her shoe heal came very close to his eye and could have actually taken his eye out, maybe then his reaction would have seen to be more justified..?...what I always feel sad about with things like this/and I've seen similar 'faked' social experiment type vids...is that there was very little reaction from the people on the train while she was both verbally and physically abusing him...it wasn't until he struck her back that the hell broke loose, type thing and others started to intervene...and I hate that, that a perceived 'victim' has to appear the more vulnerable....he was very much a victim of verbal and physical bullying and he 'fought back'....and really I can't see any fault in him for doing that....

The man is a bull? I know that's not meant to be insulting to mankind, but if you're equating them with beasts of the field incapable of rational thought ..

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You speak with such wisdom again Ammi.

Bullying IS bullying, and bullies ARE bullies, whether the victim is physically or mentally superior to the aggressor is totally immaterial.

Restraint or containment of an attacker is fine when the attacker is alone, but a foolish and dangerous tactic when the aggressor has cronies and you are alone - then the only sensible tactic is to disable the aggressor so as to be able to 'deal' with the inevitable attack from his/her 'mates'.

'Knock them bullies down like ninepins son - even the odds one by one. Don't worry 'bout what some might say, just so long as YOU live to walk away'. --- That's what my old grandpappy used to say.

Well said Kirk and Ammi. Great to hear from you again Kirklancaster

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Well said Kirk and Ammi. Great to hear from you again Kirklancaster

Thanks Jenny. If you check out my 'Kirk Titmarsh' thread on General Chat, you'll see what I've been up to during my 'absence'.

[Denver]

Some of the comments are BS women have equal rights not special rights if she is going to bully people on a train then stupid bitch deserve what she got.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Some of the comments are BS women have equal rights not special rights if she is going to bully people on a train then stupid bitch deserve what she got.

being rude and yelling in someone's face and even slapping them on the head is not the same as beating the hell out of someone.

a man knocking a woman out is NOT EQUAL to a woman slapping him upside the head.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by lostalex

being rude and yelling in someone's face and even slapping them on the head is not the same as beating the hell out of someone.

a man knocking a woman out is NOT EQUAL to a woman slapping him upside the head.

You're right, it's not, but I haven't seen anyone say it is and the guy in the clip didn't do that, so what's your point?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by lostalex

being rude and yelling in someone's face and even slapping them on the head is not the same as beating the hell out of someone.

a man knocking a woman out is NOT EQUAL to a woman slapping him upside the head.

That's not what happened though, she was up in his face and he actually stayed passive, until she hit him with something (a shoe, allegedly) at which point he slapped her.

She then backs right off, and it's a guy who then attacks him (presumably for "hitting a girl") and the two guys fight. It's not the girl he lays into. She gets one slap. I'd say it's a reasonable response to be honest.

[lostalex]

maybe i misunderstood the video, the person being thrown to the floor and being pummeled towards the end, i assumed it was the same girl.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's not what happened though, she was up in his face and he actually stayed passive, until she hit him with something (a shoe, allegedly) at which point he slapped her.

She then backs right off, and it's a guy who then attacks him (presumably for "hitting a girl") and the two guys fight. It's not the girl he lays into. She gets one slap. I'd say it's a reasonable response to be honest.

I can't watch the video but if that's what happened it sounds fair. You can't go round hitting people and not expect a person to hit you back, I don't care what gender you are

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by lostalex

maybe i misunderstood the video, the person being thrown to the floor and being pummeled towards the end, i assumed it was the same girl.

No, it was a guy that jumped up trying to be the white knight that got his ass kicked, not the girl.

[Livia]

No one should be hitting anyone for any reason.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Livia

No one should be hitting anyone for any reason.

I think Nick Grimshaw should at the very least get a kick right up the arse when he bends down to stroke a Pug

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think Nick Grimshaw should at the very least get a kick right up the arse when he bends down to stroke a Pug

Okay... no one should be hitting anyone... unless it's funny.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Thanks Jenny. If you check out my 'Kirk Titmarsh' thread on General Chat, you'll see what I've been up to during my 'absence'.

I have checked it out. It's amazing In fact, if you are ever in Denmark and at a loose end, I have a huge back garden that I call the Wild Wood that needs someone like you to bring some order to it.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

being rude and yelling in someone's face and even slapping them on the head is not the same as beating the hell out of someone.

a man knocking a woman out is NOT EQUAL to a woman slapping him upside the head.

that's not what happened, she hit him across the head with a shoe drawing blood and leaving scars