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Toy Soldier · 24-01-2019, 08:31 AM

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Very very true, an old school friend of mine took out a government grant back in the 90s and made a short film about a bookmakers.....he has since had a film on TV and directed shameless and doctor who.

I honestly believe that if I made a short film about a few of the events I've seen unfold in the bookies, it would be dismissed as "too far fetched"

thesheriff443 · 24-01-2019, 09:18 AM

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So the sensible middle ground seems to be that yes, the film maker was insensitive to not even consult the family but the subject matter should not be completely off limits or censored

No, you don't need to be a parent to have an opinion but it's fairly obvious that experiencing parenthood can give you a fresh perspective which is particularly relevant in some things

No, short films are not widely known or viewed by the public but within the industry themselves they can be huge as a springboard for a directors future career and get him recognised by the right people

And here speaks the voice of reasoning.

Livia · 24-01-2019, 09:27 AM

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I honestly believe that if I made a short film about a few of the events I've seen unfold in the bookies, it would be dismissed as "too far fetched"

I'm thinking of making a film about my time in politics. I'm going to call it, Carry On Conservatives.

Toy Soldier · 24-01-2019, 09:38 AM

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I'm thinking of making a film about my time in politics. I'm going to call it, Carry On Conservatives.

It's true though! Everything political in this country, the conferences are 25% actual discussion of the issues and 75% everyone getting drunk and hooking up. Dirty buggers!

thesheriff443 · 24-01-2019, 09:42 AM

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I'm thinking of making a film about my time in politics. I'm going to call it, Carry On Conservatives.

Carry on regardless would be a better title.

parmnion · 24-01-2019, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I honestly believe that if I made a short film about a few of the events I've seen unfold in the bookies, it would be dismissed as "too far fetched"

I was wrong it's actually about his first job after leaving school in a slaughter house..there's a scene set in a bookies though.
http://film.britishcouncil.org/pan-fried

Livia · 24-01-2019, 10:05 AM

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It's true though! Everything political in this country, the conferences are 25% actual discussion of the issues and 75% everyone getting drunk and hooking up. Dirty buggers!

Yes, and that's why I never went to conference. Ewww can you imagine.

Toy Soldier · 24-01-2019, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

in a slaughter house..there's a scene set in a bookies though.

Tomayto, tomahto...

Kazanne · 24-01-2019, 10:15 AM

This is why the family are so pissed off, and to have another child play James part is also pretty sick, we have already seen the police interviews with those two,so I see no reason other than notoriety this has been made.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/j...-a4045921.html

Marsh. · 24-01-2019, 11:35 AM

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You're deliberately making the situation as specific as possible to avoid even considering the possibility that actually having (or raising) a child might offer an experience (the direct experience of the parent-child bond) that would greatly bolster the ability to empathise with a parent who has lost a child. You should have a look at empathy vs sympathy and the subtle differences, IMO.

Responding to a ridiculous generalisation used simply to shut down my viewpoint is too specific?

Pointing out that "parents" and "non parents" aren't all the same is too specific for you.

Highlighting the fact someone can't simply say "Well I've got a kid so my opinion is worth more" as the situation is far more complex than a pathetic shutdown is too specific?

I appreciate your efforts to defend someone else's attempt to shut down my opinion of this particular Bulger story but I'll end the ridiculous merry go round of you attempting to twist my words here.

Toy Soldier · 24-01-2019, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Responding to a ridiculous generalisation used simply to shut down my viewpoint is too specific?

Pointing out that "parents" and "non parents" aren't all the same is too specific for you.

Highlighting the fact someone can't simply say "Well I've got a kid so my opinion is worth more" as the situation is far more complex than a pathetic shutdown is too specific?

I appreciate your efforts to defend someone else's attempt to shut down my opinion of this particular Bulger story but I'll end the ridiculous merry go round of you attempting to twist my words here.

I only see you twisting yourself in knots Marsh, in a rambling attempt to insist that your own view on every topic is worth its weight in gold. I wonder... IS there a topic where you might admit that relevant personal experience might make for a more informed opinion? Or do all people's opinions have to be considered equal across all topics?

parmnion · 24-01-2019, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Tomayto, tomahto...

Marsh. · 24-01-2019, 03:29 PM

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I only see you twisting yourself in knots Marsh, in a rambling attempt to insist that your own view on every topic is worth its weight in gold.

Couldn't be further from the truth. Bait someone else with your personal comments.

Tom4784 · 24-01-2019, 03:38 PM

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.mic.c...mous-directors

Sofia Coppola is the daughter of Francis Ford Coppola, that is what launched her career. She's excellent but let's face it, she would have had a career regardless, she was born with a break into the industry as are many children of famous faces who are in the industry.

But good job, you've found 12 examples among thousands whose films wouldn't have made an impact.

People don't make a short film and are instantly handed the director's chair for a major hollywood picture for the most part. They work their way up through different projects and earn their stripes. It's mostly who you know rather than what you do until you get big and then it's 'how well did your last film do?'

Still doesn't really change the fact that the controversy will inevitably help the film's chances and it's director, not hinder them when before they would have liked joined the other short film nominees who failed to make an impact by being nominated (or win).