[jet]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Are we really gonna bring up links to Putin when your hero is best freinds with terrorists?

It's time to post this again, I see. Yes indeed, this is their hero and his cronies:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...tain-rp79dvvmk

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Diane Abbott backed victory for the IRA in an interview with a pro-republican journal, The Sunday Times has found.
Abbott, who will become home secretary if Labour wins the election, said in the 1984 interview that Ireland “is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.”
The interview was found during research by The Sunday Times in Irish and republican archives

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The same files disclose that the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, personally led or took part in at least 72 separate events or actions with Sinn Fein and pro-republican groups during the years of the IRA’s armed struggle — far more than previously known.
These included a petition to Downing Street on behalf of Hugh Doherty, a member of the IRA’s Balcombe Street gang convicted of killing seven people, and protests against the extradition of Dessie Ellis, a top IRA bomb maker who has denied links to about 50 deaths.

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The archives also show the main IRA-sympathising groups in Britain held private strategy meetings in Corbyn’s former constituency office — owned by the Labour Party and part-funded by taxpayers from his MP’s allowance.

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The interview was published in Labour and Ireland, the journal of the Labour committee on Ireland (LCI), a small pro-republican support group in the party that operated at the height of the IRA’s armed struggle in the 1980s and early 1990s.
The archives disclose that LCI was chaired for some of the period by John McDonnell, now the shadow chancellor. Corbyn and Abbott were also regular speakers..
There were close links between LCI and the Troops Out Movement [Tom], another IRA-sympathising body with which Corbyn was closely associated. He spoke at more than 20 Troops Out events or meetings.

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Corbyn has claimed he was seeking peace. However, Seamus Mallon, deputy to John Hume, the former Social Democratic and Labour Party leader and the architect of the peace process, told The Sunday Times: “I never heard anyone mention Corbyn at all.
“He very clearly took the side of the IRA and that was incompatible, in my opinion, with working for peace.”

https://www.irishnews.com/news/polit...hies--1032915/

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Secretary of State James Brokenshire has rounded on Jeremy Corbyn for his "IRA sympathies".
Mr Brokenshire accused the Labour leader and his party colleagues, shadow chancellor John McDonnell and shadow home secretary Diane Abbott, of having "extremely worrying views" about IRA terrorism.
But Mr Brokenshire - who prior to the calling of the General Election had been facilitating talks between Stormont's Sinn Féin and the DUP in a bid to restore powersharing - demanded Mr Corbyn and his top team "come clean about their true attitudes towards IRA terrorism".
He accused Mr Corbyn of having a "long political career of sympathy for the IRA cause".

http://www.cityam.com/265655/jeremy-...le-ira-history

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His support for the IRA alone should have sunk Labour. In the 1980s, as the this ruthless mob murdered, kidnapped, assaulted and tortured people, Corbyn and his allies – including Diane Abbott and John McDonnell – supported the cause and befriended terrorists. The possibility that we might have a chancellor who once said: “it was the bombs and bullets… that brought Britain to the negotiating table”, or a home secretary who said that “every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us”, is madness; a sign of these unstable political times.

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Corbyn was later arrested while on a pro-IRA protest at the trial of the bomber who had killed five people and injured a further 31. He also wrote for and supported a socialist magazine which gloated about the bombing and threatened Margaret Thatcher with further attacks.

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Even Labour sympathisers found it hard to stomach Corbyn’s infatuation with the IRA. A 1996 editorial in the left-leaning Guardian, of all places, denounces his “romantic support for Irish Republicans” and states unequivocally: “Mr Corbyn's actions do not advance the cause of peace in Northern Ireland and are not seriously intended to do so”.



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For the truth, we need to listen to the real architects of the peace process who insist that these men had nothing at all to do with it.

Former deputy first minister of Northern Ireland, Seamus Mallon, said “I never heard anyone mention Corbyn at all. He very clearly took the side of the IRA and that was incompatible, in my opinion, with working for peace.” Sean O’Callaghan, an ex-IRA terrorist, said Corbyn “played no part ever, at any time, in promoting peace in Northern Ireland”, and any suggestion otherwise is “a cowardly, self-serving lie”.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...t-for-the-ira/

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It cannot be said too often that there is nothing intrinsically objectionable about supporting the idea of a united Ireland. But if you did – or still do – support that goal you had a choice. You could ally yourself with the SDLP or you could chum around with Sinn Fein and the IRA. The choice mattered because it was a choice between decency and indecency, between constitutional politics and paramilitary politics. Corbyn, like his Shadow Chancellor, made his choice and chose indecency.

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There is no room for doubt about this and no place for after-the-fact reinterpretations of Corbyn’s ‘role’ in the Irish peace process. That role was limited to being a cheerleader for and enabler of the Republican movement. No-one who was seriously interested in peace in the 1980s spoke at Troops Out rallies. The best that could be said of those people was that they wanted ‘peace’ on the IRA’s terms.

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Jeremy Corbyn didn’t help bring peace to Northern Ireland, he helped delay it by enabling those who bore primary responsibility for the violence. Now he and his supporters wish to rewrite history, the better to pretend Corbyn was somehow ‘ahead of the curve’. He was no such thing. His vision of peace did not advocate compromise and dialogue. If it had he might have spent more – or some – time speaking with Unionists and other parties with whose analysis he disagreed. But his vision did not do this and so he did not ‘engage’ with anyone in this fashion. No amount of whitewash can cover up this stain upon his record, his worldview and his judgement.

[Kizzy]

None of those links work

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by jet

It's time to post this again, I see. Yes indeed, this is their hero and his cronies:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...tain-rp79dvvmk

Quote:
Diane Abbott backed victory for the IRA in an interview with a pro-republican journal, The Sunday Times has found.
Abbott, who will become home secretary if Labour wins the election, said in the 1984 interview that Ireland “is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.”
The interview was found during research by The Sunday Times in Irish and republican archives

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The same files disclose that the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, personally led or took part in at least 72 separate events or actions with Sinn Fein and pro-republican groups during the years of the IRA’s armed struggle — far more than previously known.
These included a petition to Downing Street on behalf of Hugh Doherty, a member of the IRA’s Balcombe Street gang convicted of killing seven people, and protests against the extradition of Dessie Ellis, a top IRA bomb maker who has denied links to about 50 deaths.

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The archives also show the main IRA-sympathising groups in Britain held private strategy meetings in Corbyn’s former constituency office — owned by the Labour Party and part-funded by taxpayers from his MP’s allowance.

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The interview was published in Labour and Ireland, the journal of the Labour committee on Ireland (LCI), a small pro-republican support group in the party that operated at the height of the IRA’s armed struggle in the 1980s and early 1990s.
The archives disclose that LCI was chaired for some of the period by John McDonnell, now the shadow chancellor. Corbyn and Abbott were also regular speakers..
There were close links between LCI and the Troops Out Movement [Tom], another IRA-sympathising body with which Corbyn was closely associated. He spoke at more than 20 Troops Out events or meetings.

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Corbyn has claimed he was seeking peace. However, Seamus Mallon, deputy to John Hume, the former Social Democratic and Labour Party leader and the architect of the peace process, told The Sunday Times: “I never heard anyone mention Corbyn at all.
“He very clearly took the side of the IRA and that was incompatible, in my opinion, with working for peace.”

https://www.irishnews.com/news/polit...hies--1032915/

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Secretary of State James Brokenshire has rounded on Jeremy Corbyn for his "IRA sympathies".
Mr Brokenshire accused the Labour leader and his party colleagues, shadow chancellor John McDonnell and shadow home secretary Diane Abbott, of having "extremely worrying views" about IRA terrorism.
But Mr Brokenshire - who prior to the calling of the General Election had been facilitating talks between Stormont's Sinn Féin and the DUP in a bid to restore powersharing - demanded Mr Corbyn and his top team "come clean about their true attitudes towards IRA terrorism".
He accused Mr Corbyn of having a "long political career of sympathy for the IRA cause".

http://www.cityam.com/265655/jeremy-...le-ira-history

Quote:
His support for the IRA alone should have sunk Labour. In the 1980s, as the this ruthless mob murdered, kidnapped, assaulted and tortured people, Corbyn and his allies – including Diane Abbott and John McDonnell – supported the cause and befriended terrorists. The possibility that we might have a chancellor who once said: “it was the bombs and bullets… that brought Britain to the negotiating table”, or a home secretary who said that “every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us”, is madness; a sign of these unstable political times.

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Corbyn was later arrested while on a pro-IRA protest at the trial of the bomber who had killed five people and injured a further 31. He also wrote for and supported a socialist magazine which gloated about the bombing and threatened Margaret Thatcher with further attacks.

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Even Labour sympathisers found it hard to stomach Corbyn’s infatuation with the IRA. A 1996 editorial in the left-leaning Guardian, of all places, denounces his “romantic support for Irish Republicans” and states unequivocally: “Mr Corbyn's actions do not advance the cause of peace in Northern Ireland and are not seriously intended to do so”.



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For the truth, we need to listen to the real architects of the peace process who insist that these men had nothing at all to do with it.

Former deputy first minister of Northern Ireland, Seamus Mallon, said “I never heard anyone mention Corbyn at all. He very clearly took the side of the IRA and that was incompatible, in my opinion, with working for peace.” Sean O’Callaghan, an ex-IRA terrorist, said Corbyn “played no part ever, at any time, in promoting peace in Northern Ireland”, and any suggestion otherwise is “a cowardly, self-serving lie”.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...t-for-the-ira/

Quote:
It cannot be said too often that there is nothing intrinsically objectionable about supporting the idea of a united Ireland. But if you did – or still do – support that goal you had a choice. You could ally yourself with the SDLP or you could chum around with Sinn Fein and the IRA. The choice mattered because it was a choice between decency and indecency, between constitutional politics and paramilitary politics. Corbyn, like his Shadow Chancellor, made his choice and chose indecency.

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There is no room for doubt about this and no place for after-the-fact reinterpretations of Corbyn’s ‘role’ in the Irish peace process. That role was limited to being a cheerleader for and enabler of the Republican movement. No-one who was seriously interested in peace in the 1980s spoke at Troops Out rallies. The best that could be said of those people was that they wanted ‘peace’ on the IRA’s terms.

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Jeremy Corbyn didn’t help bring peace to Northern Ireland, he helped delay it by enabling those who bore primary responsibility for the violence. Now he and his supporters wish to rewrite history, the better to pretend Corbyn was somehow ‘ahead of the curve’. He was no such thing. His vision of peace did not advocate compromise and dialogue. If it had he might have spent more – or some – time speaking with Unionists and other parties with whose analysis he disagreed. But his vision did not do this and so he did not ‘engage’ with anyone in this fashion. No amount of whitewash can cover up this stain upon his record, his worldview and his judgement.

Yes, Boris looks the better choice.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Yes, Boris looks the better choice.

of the 2 yes and i think the GBP will agree

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

None of those links work

So? They did last year when I first posted that for the first time, and then again for the second time when you pretended not to see it. I know you remember it well, Kizzy.

[jet]

Here's a link that currently works Kizzy and a few snippets for you:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...IRA-links.html

It can be disclosed that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”

Between 1986 and 1992, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke each year at the annual “Connolly/Sands” commemoration in London to honour dead IRA terrorists and support imprisoned IRA “prisoners of war.”

Programmes for the events have been obtained by the Telegraph.

The programme for the 1987 event, on May 16 of that year, praises the “soldiers of the IRA,” saying: “We are proud of our people and the revolutionaries who are an integral part of that people.”

[Kizzy]

That period in history was long and bloody, I have family stories handed down as have a lot of people.
I value diplomacy, I prefer those to speak first and bomb later. Knowing what we know of Corbyn I have no reason to believe that is not what he advocated during his meetings. He was not the first MP to have held talks and nor was he the last.

Do I feel that his support at that time should prevent him from becoming PM? No.
There are leaders going back generations as well as very recent ones who have links to tyrants and inhumane regimes. They all have to be held to the same standard or none.

[Kizzy]

You also have to take into consideration the people he supported in prison at the time who have since been pardoned or exonerated.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That period in history was long and bloody, I have family stories handed down as have a lot of people.
I value diplomacy, I prefer those to speak first and bomb later. Knowing what we know of Corbyn I have no reason to believe that is not what he advocated during his meetings. He was not the first MP to have held talks and nor was he the last.

Do I feel that his support at that time should prevent him from becoming PM? No.
There are leaders going back generations as well as very recent ones who have links to tyrants and inhumane regimes. They all have to be held to the same standard or none.

Get real.
Which modern day PM or oppositon leader has previously attended funerals for terrorists, spoke at their rallies and offered such support for murderers?

[Kizzy]

I am real, I don't discriminate between murderers through the years there has been British support for all kinds of murderous regimes, there still is.

In the OP is an article written by a man who wrote a book called 'one man's terrorist', that is true enough.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by jet

Get real.
Which modern day PM or oppositon leader has previously attended funerals for terrorists, spoke at their rallies and offered such support for murderers?

The worst thing about it is that mainland Britain as well as Northern Ireland were being bombed at the time he supported them.
He would have been hung for treason or had his head off in times gone by.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I am real, I don't discriminate between murderers through the years there has been British support for all kinds of murderous regimes, there still is.

In the OP is an article written by a man who wrote a book called 'one man's terrorist', that is true enough.

No point in engaging with you Kizzy, and really taking the time to explain why your diversion tactic and answer is ludicrous. You seem blind, deaf and dumb when it comes to your hero. Terrorist supporter, anti - semitism enabler, nothing will sway you from your conviction that Corbyn is simply wonderful.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

No point in engaging with you Kizzy, and really taking the time to explain why your diversion tactic and answer is ludicrous. You seem blind, deaf and dumb when it comes to your hero. Terrorist supporter, anti - semitism enabler, nothing will sway you from your conviction that Corbyn is simply wonderful.

I don't know what you want me to say..expecting me to support your view on one thing and then making wild accusation such as Corbyn is an anti semitism enabler ... I have a view and I'm not ignorant, I have looked at the accusations regarding the IRA and the condemnation of that organisation in relation to its bombing campaign, which he had no problem vocalising as you would expect.
On balance I would be happy for him to be PM, following the manifesto launch today his plan to renegotiate was welcomed by Ireland and the EU.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jet

Corbyn refusing to condemn the IRA outright - then he hangs up.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lqgTa2KVY

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't know what you want me to say..expecting me to support your view on one thing and then making wild accusation such as Corbyn is an anti semitism enabler ... I have a view and I'm not ignorant, I have looked at the accusations regarding the IRA and the condemnation of that organisation in relation to its bombing campaign, which he had no problem vocalising as you would expect.
On balance I would be happy for him to be PM, following the manifesto launch today his plan to renegotiate was welcomed by Ireland and the EU.

I'm not delusional. I was just wondering if you still supported Corbyn as strongly in his support of the IRA and I've got my answer. So no need to talk with you further.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

you posted that before?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm not delusional. I was just wondering if you still supported Corbyn as strongly in his support of the IRA and I've got my answer. So no need to talk with you further.

Well I hope now it's clear, I support him. I support all his endeavours into injustice , I supported his fight against apartheid too. I support his condemnation of what is happening to Palestinians. And I support his need to tackle inequality in this country.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well I hope now it's clear, I support him. I support all his endeavours into injustice , I supported his fight against apartheid too. I support his condemnation of what is happening to Palestinians. And I support his need to tackle inequality in this country.

Yet not a word about the injustice suffered by the thousands of innocent men, women and children murdered by his friends the IRA or their families. You make my blood run cold. Putting you on ignore now.

[Josy]

Title has been edited.

Please dont use silly immature thread titles in this section, it baits negative reactions and detracts from sensible discussion.

Thanks.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Yet not a word about the injustice suffered by the thousands of innocent men, women and children murdered by his friends the IRA or their families. You make my blood run cold. Putting you on ignore now.

You do what you need to do, there were victims on both sides as you well know. Please don't insinuate I condone violence from any faction.