[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Grim Reaper

Frankly I'd take either of them over her!

yes and that is why we want and will get independence,...

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I dont support terrorism.
But it wasnt one sided was it. Plus Britain is responsible for oppression of the Irish for centuries.
We see around the world and through history that terrorists for some are freedom fighters for others.
We see former terrorists turning into later statemen.
That's how the world often works.

British oppression ended centuries ago, we weren't living under some sort of murderous dictatorship you know. Sure, there were problems but being part of the UK served N. Ireland well. If they really had to murder, (and I don't condone ANY murder) then target the security forces who chose to put themselves in positions of danger.
There was NO excuse for 30 years of blowing up innocent men, woman and children going about their daily lives in shops, restaurants, pubs, bus stations, fun runs, etc. NONE.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes and that is why we want and will get independence,...

it's either being independent or being part of english nationalistic brexit britain

and that ain't a tough decision for the scots

[Grim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes and that is why we want and will get independence,...

Exactly, never mind giving the Scots another referendum if we got a referendum on who wants Scotland to urinate off and stop bloody whining it'd probably 85 - 15 in favour!

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes and that is why we want and will get independence,...

I find it funny that you don’t mind ignoring the result that referendum, but you claim remainers are trying to undo a democracy, why is that?

[Grim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

British oppression ended centuries ago, we weren't living under some sort of murderous dictatorship you know. Sure, there were problems but being part of the UK served N. Ireland well. If they really had to murder, (and I don't condone ANY murder) then target the security forces who chose to put themselves in positions of danger.
There was NO excuse for 30 years of blowing up innocent men, woman and children going about their daily lives in shops, restaurants, pubs, bus stations, fun runs, etc. NONE.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Grim Reaper

Jeez you got to be joking! She can be in charge of Scotland but we don't want her down here..can't stand all the whining!

Lots of tweets from England saying otherwise.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I dont support terrorism.
But it wasnt one sided was it. Plus Britain is responsible for oppression of the Irish for centuries.
We see around the world and through history that terrorists for some are freedom fighters for others.
We see former terrorists turning into later statemen.
That's how the world often works.

So its ok to live in the past?


But not when its peoples views on certain subjects that effect me

[jet]

Originally Posted by Grim Reaper

Thank you GR. The excuses for the IRA and in some cases Corbyns support of them are unbelievable. Freedom fighters my ass, they were murderous psychopaths.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I find it funny that you don’t mind ignoring the result that referendum, but you claim remainers are trying to undo a democracy, why is that?

i think you are confusing me with an English leave voter

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by jet

Thank you GR. The excuses for the IRA and in some cases Corbyns support of them are unbelievable. Freedom fighters my ass, they were murderous psychopaths.

it's complicated though


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_I...epublican_Army

read this Wikipedia article who they are, and no they aren't just murderous psychopaths


''the Real IRA sees itself as the only rightful successor to the original Irish Republican Army and styles itself as simply "the Irish Republican Army"


they are freedom fighters, but where politicians use words for independence, they are more radical with physical violence (bombs and guns)

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i think you are confusing me with an English leave voter

No, I’m pretty sure you’ve very vehemently been on the ‘brexit Means brexit’ side on here for a good while

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, I’m pretty sure you’ve very vehemently been on the ‘brexit Means brexit’ side on here for a good while

"but you claim remainers are trying to undo a democracy"

no

i think that a re-referendum will lead to the same result however and would be pointless

[Nicky91]

and don't get me wrong, i'm not defending the IRA, not at all

but facts are facts, they aren't just random psychopaths

just wanted to set that straight

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

and don't get me wrong, i'm not defending the IRA, not at all

but facts are facts, they aren't just random psychopaths

just wanted to set that straight

they are people who kill children because people dont agree with them

what is a word for that?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they are people who kill children because people dont agree with them

what is a word for that?

like i said LT, i can't defend their actions, but i can't say that makes me defend britain either

just stating as it is said on Wikipedia (which i find a great website with good information about anything)

you got radical groups like IRA, in other countries too

they are similar to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_...dence_movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...ont_of_Corsica

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETA_%2...atist_group%29

[Grim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it's complicated though


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_I...epublican_Army

read this Wikipedia article who they are, and no they aren't just murderous psychopaths


''the Real IRA sees itself as the only rightful successor to the original Irish Republican Army and styles itself as simply "the Irish Republican Army"


they are freedom fighters, but where politicians use words for independence, they are more radical with physical violence (bombs and guns)

To a point I agree but they need to keep their bombs and guns for use against those involved and not use them against innocent people!

[Grim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they are people who kill children because people dont agree with them

what is a word for that?

Terrorists! That's the word for that!

[Ammi]

Question Time four-way leaders’ debate gets peak audience of 4.6m


More than 4 million people watched a BBC Question Time audience grill political leaders on their general election policies, a slump in the number of viewers who saw Boris Johnson’s head-to-head debate with Jeremy Corbyn earlier this week.

A peak audience of 4.6 million watched Johnson, Corbyn, Jo Swinson and Nicola Sturgeon battle a barrage of hostile questioning from an audience in Sheffield during the two-hour programme on Friday evening.

The average number of viewers throughout the show was 4.23 million, representing a significant drop from the 6.7 million who switched on for ITV’s leaders’ debate on Tuesday, in which Johnson and Corbyn faced each other. However, the figures are higher than Question Time’s normal audience of about 2-2.5 million.

The special Question Time episode also drew nearly double that figure, and significantly more than the 2.4 million average audience of the popular Graham Norton chat show was aired later in the evening.

Fiona Bruce chaired a bruising night of live questioning from audience members on Friday, during which Corbyn revealed he would take a “neutral stance” should there be a future Brexit referendum if Labour wins the election. The Labour leader was also confronted with questions about his party’s record on antisemitism and nationalisation plans.

Johnson was wounded after questioning on his trustworthiness, and was also accused of fomenting racism with the inflammatory language he used in his newspaper columns, including one in which he described Muslim women wearing burqas as looking like “letter boxes”.

The Liberal Democrat leader Swinson faced a torrid time as she was questioned about her voting record in the coalition government, as well as her party’s pledge to revoke Brexit.

Meanwhile, the Scottish National party leader and Scottish first minister Sturgeon confirmed she could support a Corbyn government in exchange for an independence referendum.

A BBC spokeswoman said: “We’re delighted 4.2 million (with a peak of 4.6 million) people tuned into the Question Time Leaders’ Debate Special on Friday night. It is the first in a series of programmes which will culminate in a head-to-head debate between Jeremy Corbyn and Boris Johnson in December.

“We think it was a quality programme which put the audience in charge and will have proved genuinely informative for our viewers.”


https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...udience-of-46m



...hopefully the interest levels will be reflected in the voting stations...

[arista]

"..hopefully the interest levels will be reflected in the voting stations... "


With 9million folks not registered to Vote?