[Johnnyuk123]

For all those against war on ISIS what would you suggest that we should do instead of war against ISIS that would make an impact on ISIS for them to want to sit around a table and resolve this matter in a humane way?

[Northern Monkey]

The words 'ISIS' and 'humane' cannot be put in the same sentence.There's only one language they understand and it's war.

[Shaun]

I don't generally pretend to know what to do. Everyone's an armchair critic. But it seems obvious to me that bombing the crap out of a country and hoping for the best is just kicking a hornets' nest, as well as creating more hornets.

I'd be totally for military intervention were the collateral not so frequently destructive, and were the chances of another Iraq incredibly slim.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The words 'ISIS' and 'humane' cannot be put in the same sentence.There's only one language they understand and it's war.

I agree 100% but my question is what can we do here to get ISIS to sit at a table and sort this matter out once and for all?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Cameltoe and Wine

I don't generally pretend to know what to do. Everyone's an armchair critic. But it seems obvious to me that bombing the crap out of a country and hoping for the best is just kicking a hornets' nest, as well as creating more hornets.

I'd be totally for military intervention were the collateral not so frequently destructive, and were the chances of another Iraq incredibly slim.

But what can we say or do to get ISIS to converse with us to bring peace?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I agree 100% but my question is what can we do here to get ISIS to sit at a table and sort this matter out once and for all?

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

But what can we say or do to get ISIS to converse with us to bring peace?

nothing because they wouldn't sit round a table

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by JingleBitch

nothing because they wouldn't sit round a table

I understand...But what should we do knowing that sitting around a table to talk with ISIS about peace is not even on the table?

[Johnnyuk123]

The UK and many other countries are at war with ISIS in Syria. That means they are only targeting ISIS in syria and not Syrian ciivilians. Local Syrians will not be close too ISIS bases unless forced too by ISIS. Why do many people find this hard too believe/understand? All those targeting their bombs in Syria are targeting those bombs directly on ISIS targets and not Syrian residents.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

The UK and many other countries are at war with ISIS in Syria. That means they are only targeting ISIS in syria and not Syrian ciivilians. Local Syrians will not be close too ISIS bases unless forced too by ISIS. Why do many people find this hard too believe/understand? All those targeting their bombs in Syria are targeting those bombs directly on ISIS targets and not Syrian residents.

If you believe that these air strikes will not cause the deaths of innocent civilians then you should take a look at the photos that came out of the country two days after the terrorist attacks in Paris. Many of the casualties were children.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

If you believe that these air strikes will not cause the deaths of innocent civilians then you should take a look at the photos that came out of the country two days after the terrorist attacks in Paris. Many of the casualties were children.

And how many children have been murdered by ISIS in Syria prior to Paris stepping in By ISIS?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

And how many children have been murdered by ISIS in Syria prior to Paris stepping in By ISIS?

So how are 'we' any better than ISIS? Two wrongs don't make a right...

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

If you believe that these air strikes will not cause the deaths of innocent civilians then you should take a look at the photos that came out of the country two days after the terrorist attacks in Paris. Many of the casualties were children.

My question is about getting ISIS to sit around a table to bring peace in the world. Answer that question please.

[Kazanne]

How can you negotiate with people like them? they do not like us,they don't like our way of life,the way we dress ,our music,our TV etc,they hate the Western way of life,they hate our beliefs,our traditions and they hate that women are seen as equal,They want to take over the world and have everyone praying in mosques,following Sharia law, making women unseen and not heard,they want to possess the human race,that might be ok for some but personally I would rather die than be forced into any of that.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

So how are 'we' any better than ISIS? Two wrongs don't make a right...

How many british citizens have beheaded or blown up people?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Tinselbells

How can you negotiate with people like them? they do not like us,they don't like our way of life,the way we dress ,our music,our TV etc,they hate the Western way of life,they hate our beliefs,our traditions and they hate that women are seen as equal,They want to take over the world and have everyone praying in mosques,following Sharia law, making women unseen and not heard,they want to possess the human race,that might be ok for some but personally I would rather die than be forced into any of that.

So well put Kaz.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

If you believe that these air strikes will not cause the deaths of innocent civilians then you should take a look at the photos that came out of the country two days after the terrorist attacks in Paris. Many of the casualties were children.

The Uk has thwarted several ISIS attacks this year alone. Do we wait until people are blown up here before we get off the fence and do something about it?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cameltoe and Wine

I don't generally pretend to know what to do. Everyone's an armchair critic. But it seems obvious to me that bombing the crap out of a country and hoping for the best is just kicking a hornets' nest, as well as creating more hornets.

I'd be totally for military intervention were the collateral not so frequently destructive, and were the chances of another Iraq incredibly slim.

So far of all the posts in this thread this is the one I feel at best comfortable with.

I think the wrong decision has been made sadly.

I haven't the answers,no one has but as this post above says, all we may be doing is really stirring things up more.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

So far of all the posts in this thread this is the one I feel at best comfortable with.

I think the wrong decision has been made sadly.

I haven't the answers,no one has but as this post above says, all we may be doing is really stirring things up more.

Look at it like this... ISIS want to kill everyone in the world no matter where you live, no matter what country it is. All those countries now at war with ISIS have only one thing in common, they just want ISIS removed and for the world to be at peace. ISIS don't want that there sole goal is WAR until all infidels are dead and sharia law is global.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

How many british citizens have beheaded or blown up people?

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

The Uk has thwarted several ISIS attacks this year alone. Do we wait until people are blown up here before we get off the fence and do something about it?

Nobody is suggesting that we simply leave IS to do what they want. You seem to suggest in every thread on the subject that those against airstrikes want to negotiate with them, yet I've not seen one suggestion that we try and 'make peace' or 'sit round the table'. I don't pretend to know all the answers, but historically bombing middle eastern countries does not bring peace or stability, or any kind of solution to the problems that exist there.

[bitontheslide]

I think its best to look at what Corbyn proposes.

He wants a political settlement in Syria. The theory being that if Syria has a stable government then ISIS will somehow (without conflict) be wiped out.

Everyone talks about how ISIS is an ideology, but when broken down its not. ISIS has an army, thousands of soldiers with a vast array of weaponry, large and small. These troops are spreading themselves across Syria and Iraq, taking over towns and resources as they go. If left unchecked, that army will continue to grow and expand its reach both in Syria and Iraq and into other neighbouring countries. This is fact, because this is what they were doing until the coalition started bombing them.

Since bombing started, it has allowed the kurds to mount a defence of their towns and it has stabilised the situation around and close to Baghdad.

Bombing has achieved this, not negotiating with them. That's why bombing is an important part of the process. No-one is saying bombing alone will resolve it, but it will contribute to the eventual defeat of ISIS.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

Nobody is suggesting that we simply leave IS to do what they want. You seem to suggest in every thread on the subject that those against airstrikes want to negotiate with them, yet I've not seen one suggestion that we try and 'make peace' or 'sit round the table'. I don't pretend to know all the answers, but historically bombing middle eastern countries does not bring peace or stability, or any kind of solution to the problems that exist there.

The only side not open to negotiaton is ISIS. Please go ahead and prove me wrong...

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

They only side not open to negotiaton is ISIS. Please go ahead and prove me wrong...

Nobody is denying this! There is middle ground between negotiation and bombing, you know...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Look at it like this... ISIS want to kill everyone in the world no matter where you live, no matter what country it is. All those countries now at war with ISIS have only one thing in common, they just want ISIS removed and for the world to be at peace. ISIS don't want that there sole goal is WAR until all infidels are dead and sharia law is global.

I have looked at it all ways,I change my mind on this on a daily basis, and there doesn't seem to be any way to deal with this, there was,before we joined in, already 3 major Nations bombing in Syria.
That hasn't altered much at all so even more bombing and more of the same doesn't seem to be a recipe for any great success again.

No one has the answers,unless they can get Iran, Saudi Arabia and other Arab Nations along with Turkey too to maybe march in across the Middle East to deal with these vile things.

That seems as far as away from being likely as it ever was so what this action will end up achieving now with all these foreign Nations bombing here, there and everywhere,is at best probably very little and at worst nothing except to make things even worse.
In the area and in all other Countries too possibly.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

I think its best to look at what Corbyn proposes.

He wants a political settlement in Syria. The theory being that if Syria has a stable government then ISIS will somehow (without conflict) be wiped out.

Everyone talks about how ISIS is an ideology, but when broken down its not. ISIS has an army, thousands of soldiers with a vast array of weaponry, large and small. These troops are spreading themselves across Syria and Iraq, taking over towns and resources as they go. If left unchecked, that army will continue to grow and expand its reach both in Syria and Iraq and into other neighbouring countries. This is fact, because this is what they were doing until the coalition started bombing them.

Since bombing started, it has allowed the kurds to mount a defence of their towns and it has stabilised the situation around and close to Baghdad.

Bombing has achieved this, not negotiating with them. That's why bombing is an important part of the process. No-one is saying bombing alone will resolve it, but it will contribute to the eventual defeat of ISIS.

The question should be ..... Does Corbyn believe that ISIS will sit aoround the table to discuss this when asked?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

Nobody is denying this! There is middle ground between negotiation and bombing, you know...

Middle ground with ISIS?