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Old 27-06-2022, 05:22 AM #1
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61946038


[Barristers will walk out of courts across
England and Wales on Monday in a
dispute over legal aid funding.
During the strikes, they will not accept
new cases or take on work for
colleagues whose cases have overrun.

The Criminal Bar Association (CBA)
said around 81.5% of its more
than 2,000 members who voted
in a ballot supported the action.

Justice Secretary Dominic Raab said
the strikes were "regrettable" and would
"only delay justice for victims".

In a statement released on the
first day of action, Mr Raab urged barristers
"to agree the proposed 15% pay rise which
would see a typical barrister earn
around £7,000 more a year".]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-61946915



15% pay rise sound good.
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Any barristers I know are anything but poor
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They start on 13K and year and most have huge debts from study.

The average time it takes for a rape case to come to trial in the uk is 1500 days
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In a statement released on the
first day of action, Mr Raab urged barristers
"to agree the proposed 15% pay rise which
would see a typical barrister earn
around £7,000 more a year".]

well then
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In a statement released on the
first day of action, Mr Raab urged barristers
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would see a typical barrister earn
around £7,000 more a year".]

well then
so why should rail workers settle for anything less than that ... crazy
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They start on 13K and year and most have huge debts from study.

The average time it takes for a rape case to come to trial in the uk is 1500 days
If they're full time they start on around £23-25k a year not £13k, thats not even min wage. Not that £25k is particularly good considering the work involved in a law degree. Basically the hardest slog of any degree from what I've heard. I know a few law graduates and even more law dropouts.

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"I know a few law graduates"



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This is not about Scottish
Barristers,

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This is not about Scottish
Barristers,
Luckily I don't only know Scottish people .
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Greedy ****ers knew the situation before they went to uni.
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The average time it takes for a rape case to come to trial in the uk is 1500 days
Say whaaaat. That's like four years. If the accused spends all his time on remand, that's a massive waste of tax payer money, not to mention legal fees and emotional trauma being dragged out for the accuser...
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This is about Legal Aid payments
that has gone down.

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"Junior criminal barristers will remain on less than minimum wage."

Yes Slim
they are the Juniors
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this is about legal aid payments
that has gone down.

and a huge case backlog
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"junior criminal barristers will remain on less than minimum wage."

yes slim
they are the juniors
who get given the legal aid overload
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it's only illegal immigrants that get legal aid these days is it not?
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"Junior criminal barristers will remain on less than minimum wage."

Yes Slim
they are the Juniors
If they're on less than minimum wage I can only assume it's because the positions are salaried and they end up working far over normal working hours? Otherwise the maths for £13000 doesn't work out... the bare minimum you can LEGALLY be paid for a 40 hour working week is £17500 (and that's factoring in an unpaid lunch hour).

Unless they're under 20, which isn't really possible as they'd barely be out of school.

Again it can only really be trhat they're "effectively" on less than minimum hourly wage because, let's say, they're salaried for a 40 hour working week at maybe £21k but they're actually working 60-hour weeks.
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If they're on less than minimum wage I can only assume it's because the positions are salaried and they end up working far over normal working hours? Otherwise the maths for £13000 doesn't work out... the bare minimum you can LEGALLY be paid for a 40 hour working week is £17500 (and that's factoring in an unpaid lunch hour).

Unless they're under 20, which isn't really possible as they'd barely be out of school.

Again it can only really be trhat they're "effectively" on less than minimum hourly wage because, let's say, they're salaried for a 40 hour working week at maybe £21k but they're actually working 60-hour weeks.
According the one of the links branching off from the tweet Slim linked:
The median income for junior criminal barristers inside the first three years of practice is £12,200. For a seventy hour week.

Would anyone be surprised if junior members of (salaried) staff anywhere were made to do unpaid overtime?
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£9,000 a year they are on TS.


Ref: BBC news
I'm not TS.
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Ref: BBC news
That's not a reference arista, I need a link. I'm genuinely not understanding how they can be be being paid literally less than minimum wage, unless they're working full time on part time contracts, or maybe it's some sort of freelancing? But even then the new-ish "usual hours" rules should make that not really possible.

I'm not saying it isn't happening but I've yet to see anything convincing that explains HOW it's happening. The links seem to amount to "Oh it is, trust me".

I saw something vague about expenses & fees making the "effective" wage X-amount but not what those expenses and fees are.
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The Fixed Fee
for Legal Aid.

Typical amount £90

No Travel Expenses at all.


One Lady, he was working in the Legal field
now earns more in a Coffee Cafe.


ITV1HD Lunch News,


https://www.itv.com/news/2022-06-27/...-court-backlog
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the only example of salary i see in the BBC article is one lady who was earning 12k a few years ago. No mention anywhere of 9k
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the only example of salary i see in the BBC article is one lady who was earning 12k a few years ago. No mention anywhere of 9k

Yes I can not find £9K staff
on any link
also.

I have deleted my original post.

It was spoken on the news.

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