[arista]

SkyNews Text :
[The paper claims to have uncovered a plot
by 100 animal rights activists to
sabotage the Grand National.
The campaigners plan to use
ladders and bolt cutters
to storm Aintree
and then form a human barricade
across the racecourse.]

[Kate!]

Bunch of thugs from the sounds of it, and doing more harm than good to any cause of Animal Objections. Will frighten the poor horses half to death if they enacted it. Stupidity.

[jet]

The Grand National should be banned! How many horses have to die each year before they scrap it, they would do it quick enough if it was jockeys getting killed instead of horses.

[parmnion]

Better not be gorilla glue.

[LeatherTrumpet]

What are the odds that they do this?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What are the odds that they do this?

Yes now it is Front Page
claiming 100 of them,
will do this?

[joeysteele]

Despite some cosmetic changes to the Grand National, Horses are still bring killed taking part in it.

I'm not usually in favour of too extreme action but it is time, in my view to reduce the size of the fences and number of them, plus reduce the length of the race too.

Too many, and really one is too many, good Horses have lost their lives in this race.
The authorities don't seem to be listening properly so maybe regretfully more action is needed to highlight the dangers of this race as to Horses.

It's all just about money making anyway, the welfare of the beautiful Horses a good way down the list of priorities.
Not good at all that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by jet

The Grand National should be banned! How many horses have to die each year before they scrap it, they would do it quick enough if it was jockeys getting killed instead of horses.

No
it is tradition
Even you, Jet,
must understand that.


To many betting companies
could go under

[bitontheslide]

it's a cruel race, i would be happy if it was never run again

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's a cruel race, i would be happy if it was never run again

I agree totally.

[LeatherTrumpet]

https://www.horsedeathwatch.com/

its not just the Grand National

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

The Grand National should be banned! How many horses have to die each year before they scrap it, they would do it quick enough if it was jockeys getting killed instead of horses.

I agree, horses die for human greed yet again, some people haven't a clue what goes on behind the scenes, no animal should be used for human entertainment,they are not ours to use and abuse, No animal lover can condone this so called sport ,vegans are not manic or a mob they just care about the animals and kudos to them all .

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

No
it is tradition
Even you, Jet,
must understand that.


To many betting companies
could go under

Not this old chestnut,how many "traditions" have we got rid of as they no longer fit in with modern life, Its cruel, you must understand that.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Not this old chestnut,how many "traditions" have we got rid of as they no longer fit in with modern life, Its cruel, you must understand that.

Life can be
just that.


Yes it is the British tradition
for this mega race.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

Life can be
just that.


Yes it is the British tradition
for this mega race.

Its all about money arista,there is a lot of cruelty involved,so for me, ban it ,get your money betting on humans who have a choice.Im sick of the human race using animals to celebrate stuff and use to get money.

[Livia]

The Grand National should be banned. I have no problem with flat racing but the jumps are brutal.

[Alf]

Targeting the nations favourite horse race where almost everyone has a flutter on. That's a good way to gain support. Of the people.

It's obviously not about gaining support or even caring about the horses. It's about spoiling other people's enjoyment because they want others to be as miserable as they are. It's about their own selfish ego's and them saying "look at me everybody, I care for animals, because I'm better than you. Arne't I a great person? Please like me and give me the attention I crave"

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Alf

Targeting the nations favourite horse race where almost everyone has a flutter on. That's a good way to gain support. Of the people.

It's obviously not about gaining support or even caring about the horses. It's about spoiling other people's enjoyment because they want others to be as miserable as they are. It's about their own selfish ego's and them saying "look at me everybody, I care for animals, because I'm better than you. Arne't I a great person? Please like me and give me the attention I crave"

If people's enjoyment mattered more than animal welfare we'd still be able to have a flutter on dog fights and bear baiting.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Livia

If people's enjoyment mattered more than animal welfare we'd still be able to have a flutter on dog fights and bear baiting.

It's not animal welfare though is it? Because who's going to look after those horses if they can't do what they're bred for? Who's gonna feed them, give them a home, clean up their sh!t? Infact they're no longer gonna be bred so they won't ever exist anyway.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's not animal welfare though is it? Because who's going to look after those horses if they can't do what they're bred for? Who's gonna feed them, give them a home, clean up their sh!t?

They won't be bred for racing over the sticks when people come to their senses, they'll be bred only for flat racing. I don't want to see another tent around a dying horse which has been forced to jump almost impossible hurdles so people can have their jollies.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Livia

They won't be bred for racing over the sticks when people come to their senses, they'll be bred only for flat racing. I don't want to see another tent around a dying horse which has been forced to jump almost impossible hurdles so people can have their jollies.

People die enjoying themselves (skiing accidents ect) People die travelling to go enjoy themselves. People die going to work to earn money so that they can enjoy themselves. Death is part of life. The horses enjoy what they do, if they they didn't, they would just refuse to do it as some do. They're earning their keep and being well looked after for it.

There's far more injuries to horses that run on the flat than over fences. Because on the flat they're going at a much greater speed and they pull muscles.

[Alf]

Every effing year we have this argument.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Alf

People die enjoying themselves (skiing accidents ect) People die travelling to go enjoy themselves. People die going to work to earn money so that they can enjoy themselves. Death is part of life. The horses enjoy what they do, if they they didn't, they would just refuse to do it as some do. They're earning their keep and being well looked after for it.

There's far more injuries to horses that run on the flat than over fences. Because on the flat they're going at a much greater speed and they pull muscles.

People die doing stuff they've chosen to do. To force an animal to do it is, like mentioned, akin to bear-baiting. I have seen no evidence at all to suggest flat racing is more dangerous, so that's just hearsay.

We're not going to agree, I can see that.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Alf

Every effing year we have this argument.

I bet they used to say that about cock fights.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Livia

People die doing stuff they've chosen to do. To force an animal to do it is, like mentioned, akin to bear-baiting. I have seen no evidence at all to suggest flat racing is more dangerous, so that's just hearsay.

We're not going to agree, I can see that.

On the flat they're racing on hard ground going at top speeds. Over fences it's mainly on soft ground going at a nice steady gallop.

If you don't like it then don't watch it but why use the excuse that you care for horses to spoil others (including the horses) enjoyment. If you care that much then let's see you taking care of all these horses you want putting into retirement. Less talk, more action.