[Brillopad]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sh-dishes.html

I don't really see the issue here. I feel it is a cultural thing with the mother specifically objecting to her son having to wash dishes. I doubt she would have had the same issues if it had been her daughter.

If so, we cannot condone cultural sexism and double standards like this in British schools.

[VanessaFeltz.]

the issue in this topic is not about a boy washing dishes as a punishment, it is about a 12 year old CHILDREN washing dishes. I am with the mom on this one, i dont know how the boy behaved in school but i dont think washing dishes for weeks is a good punishment.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by VanessaFeltz.

the issue in this topic is not about a boy washing dishes as a punishment, it is about a 12 year old CHILDREN washing dishes. I am with the mom on this one, i dont know how the boy behaved in school but i dont think washing dishes for weeks is a good punishment.

Fair enough - but I still feel that a large part of her outrage was about her son being expected to do 'women's work'.

[Kizzy]

Nothing to do with his gender or culture, it's simply not a fitting punishment. It is more likely to be a cost cutting exercise you don't have to employ a pot washer if you can get the students to do it.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nothing to do with his gender or culture, it's simply not a fitting punishment. It is more likely to be a cost cutting exercise you don't have to employ a pot washer if you can get the students to do it.

Yup agree with this

[smudgie]

Looks like it is a last resort.
If the little darling can't behave and his mother whinges about his punishment then throw him out.
Washing pots is hardly ruddy slavery, and the thought that it is a cost saving exercise on the schools behalf is laughable

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Looks like it is a last resort.
If the little darling can't behave and his mother whinges about his punishment then throw him out.
Washing pots is hardly ruddy slavery, and the thought that it is a cost saving exercise on the schools behalf is laughable

I agree smudgie. I don't think it is an unreasonable punishment, probably preferable to detention and keeping them after school. I can't help feeling that both the son and the mother felt aggrieved he was being expected to do what is 'expected' of women.

If the majority of parents are ok with it then I think the mother should accept it or be asked to move her son elsewhere.

[user104658]

Brillo there is absolutely nothing in that article that suggests that this is a cultural issue and that "she would have been fine with it if it was a girl". This is an assumption that you are making PURELY based on their name and appearance. Honestly, your prejudice grows by the day it seems.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Brillo there is absolutely nothing in that article that suggests that this is a cultural issue and that "she would have been fine with it if it was a girl". This is an assumption that you are making PURELY based on their name and appearance. Honestly, your prejudice grows by the day it seems.

It's easy to throw that allegation about in cases like this - but have you heard anyone else complain about this. Of course I could be wrong, but her OTT reaction suggests otherwise. Which is why I said if the majority of parents are okay with it, then clearly the problem lies with her and her son.

If other parents do object and they are all of the same culture what message would that give out in your opinion then.

[Kizzy]

You have no knowledge of how other parents feel about it, I wonder how the pot washer feels about is?.... They're out of a job due to these pesky meddling kids

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It's easy to throw that allegation about in cases like this - but have you heard anyone else complain about this. Of course I could be wrong, but her OTT reaction suggests otherwise. Which is why I said if the majority of parents are okay with it, then clearly the problem lies with her and her son.

If other parents do object and they are all of the same culture what message would that give out in your opinion then.

Where in the article does it say that other parents all of the same culture also object or that no one of other cultures objects?

In fact, where does the article say anything g about her culture AT ALL?

All of this is pure guesswork based on your prejudice after reading a name and seeing a picture.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Where in the article does it say that other parents all of the same culture also object or that no one of other cultures objects?

In fact, where does the article say anything g about her culture AT ALL?

All of this is pure guesswork based on your prejudice after reading a name and seeing a picture.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Where in the article does it say that other parents all of the same culture also object or that no one of other cultures objects?

In fact, where does the article say anything g about her culture AT ALL?

All of this is pure guesswork based on your prejudice after reading a name and seeing a picture.

I said If because we don't know. The woman thinks her son's human rights have been violated for washing up as a punishment for bad behaviour for heaven's sake. If that's not OTT I don't know what is. It sounds like someone with an agenda to me.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I said If because we don't know. The woman thinks her son's human rights have been violated for washing up as a punishment for bad behaviour for heaven's sake. If that's not OTT I don't know what is. It sounds like someone with an agenda to me.

Yes, exactly, we don't know, we have absolutely no idea, but you have made "confident" guesses at her reasoning based on her name and her sons appearance.

You then went on to try to justify it by guessing that there might be hypothetical other people with the same hypothetical culture who would probably feel the same way, you think, based on pretty much nothing at all.

That is the definition of prejudice.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes, exactly, we don't know, we have absolutely no idea, but you have made "confident" guesses at her reasoning based on her name and her sons appearance.

You then went on to try to justify it by guessing that there might be hypothetical other people with the same hypothetical culture who would probably feel the same way, you think, based on pretty much nothing at all.

That is the definition of prejudice.

You would think she would be happier her son wasn't be kept after school - as a mother of three I know I would and just about every other mother I know.

Time will tell but if she does try taking such a trivial matter further then my theory that she has an agenda would gain some strength.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Where in the article does it say that other parents all of the same culture also object or that no one of other cultures objects?

In fact, where does the article say anything g about her culture AT ALL?

All of this is pure guesswork based on your prejudice after reading a name and seeing a picture.

This is all true

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You would think she would be happier her son wasn't be kept after school - as a mother of three I know I would and just about every other mother I know.

Time will tell but if she does try taking such a trivial matter further then my theory that she has an agenda would gain some strength.

:/ no I hated the thought especially on dark nights of my kids having to travel alone after their friends had left for the day at 11-12.
If I had found out it was to wash up I would have been furious, so whatever theory you have, know that I agree with this woman entirely.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You would think she would be happier her son wasn't be kept after school - as a mother of three I know I would and just about every other mother I know.

Time will tell but if she does try taking such a trivial matter further then my theory that she has an agenda would gain some strength.

No, it wouldn't. In your mind it would confirm what you already believe to be true because of your racial prejudice.

I know an absolute TONNE of crunchy vegan mummies (White ones ) who would absolutely lose their **** about a school using manual labour as punishment without parental consent.

There is absolutely nothing in this story - whatsoever - to suggest that the mothers anger is in any way based on cultural beliefs and even less evidence that it is in any way sexist.

[Northern Monkey]

My school once made me file piles of paperwork for a punishment.I would've loved to have done some washing up instead

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No, it wouldn't. In your mind it would confirm what you already believe to be true because of your racial prejudice.

I know an absolute TONNE of crunchy vegan mummies (White ones ) who would absolutely lose their **** about a school using manual labour as punishment without parental consent.

There is absolutely nothing in this story - whatsoever - to suggest that the mothers anger is in any way based on cultural beliefs and even less evidence that it is in any way sexist.

It was a nice way of avoiding answering my original question, I asked you a hypothetical question as to if it came to light that several other parents objected, all of the same culture, what your views on that would be. Would you not see an agenda.

If there is an agenda it would not be so unreasonable to suggest that the fact that it was A boy and not a girl at the centre of her grievance may have had something to do with her OTT reaction. If so that would be sexist.

Btw this may potentially have something to do with culture, but where does race come into it. Race and culture are not mutually exclusive. It just sounds like another excuse to undermine my opinions by calling me racist. Bored with it now.

[jaxie]

In my experience having worked in schools in the past, I think parents in general can be in denial about their children's bad behaviour. It's never the fault of my little darling and this in turn is often why that little darling is a problem.

Washing pots is hardly going to do him any harm, clearly the mother needs a reality check.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

My school once made me file piles of paperwork for a punishment.I would've loved to have done some washing up instead

haha! me too

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It was a nice way of avoiding answering my original question, I asked you a hypothetical question as to if it came to light that several other parents objected, all of the same culture, what your views on that would be. Would you not see an agenda.

If there is an agenda it would not be so unreasonable to suggest that the fact that it was A boy and not a girl at the centre of her grievance may have had something to do with her OTT reaction. If so that would be sexist.

Btw this may potentially have something to do with culture, but where does race come into it. Race and culture are not mutually exclusive. It just sounds like another excuse to undermine my opinions by calling me racist. Bored with it now.

Some obscure hypothetical does not excuse the prejudice you have displayed in this thread sorry.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Some obscure hypothetical does not excuse the prejudice you have displayed in this thread sorry.

I have every right not to feel supportive of cultures that support sexism whatever race that culture may be. It has bugger all to do with race and if a culture blatantly indulges in sexism they should be called out on it. To imply people can't do so without be called bull**** names is PC intimidation.

Honestly talk about hypocrisy.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I have every right not to feel supportive of cultures that support sexism whatever race that culture may be. It has bugger all to do with race and if a culture blatantly indulges in sexism they should be called out on it. To imply people can't do so without be called bull**** names is PC intimidation.

Honestly talk about hypocrisy.

You dont even know what culture/religion this family are. Its like you want people to see you as racist or something.