[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I did say most. I personally would never turn my back on my children. I would prefer my children weren’t gay - but if they were I would love them the same.

As i said most parent's would accept their kids sexuality . Some might find it difficult to come to terms with but i can't imagine many actually disowning their own kids . I think some might frown on the idea of marriage rather than actually disowning them .

These days parents usually worry about other things concerning their kids like are they having unprotected sex ,are they taking drugs, being bullied , taking a weapon to school .

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Of course they have the right, but I don't think they have the right to protest to such an extent that the school have to scrap the event for the other parents who were more than happy. They should have had the right to withdraw their children but plan a disruptive protest at a primary school is forcing their opinions on others, exactly what they were protesting against

I would have gone along with that in that situation - as long as they were able to withdraw them if they wished.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

As i said most parent's would accept their kids sexuality . Some might find it difficult to come to terms with but i can't imagine many actually disowning their own kids . I think some might frown on the idea of marriage rather than actually disowning them .

These days parents usually worry about other things concerning their kids like are they having unprotected sex ,are they taking drugs, being bullied , taking a weapon to school .

I agree with that.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

That isn’t what queer theory means at all lol. Actually it basically means the opposite. I think you found a paper one time that said it may not exist, and criticised queer theory and you jumped a few conclusions.

If you re-read my post, you'll see I didn't comment on what Queer Theory means, I just said that it exists. My point was that there's no point adding Q to LGBT, as "queer" people don't face any additional struggles.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If you re-read my post, you'll see I didn't comment on what Queer Theory means, I just said that it exists. My point was that there's no point adding Q to LGBT, as "queer" people don't face any additional struggles.

Its rarely used as a phrase to describe people with unique struggles so i dont think you have a solid point tbh.

[Twosugars]

Annie, you've been fantastic in this thread. If all parents were like you there'd be less intolerance.

[user104658]

So long as actual sex is kept out of it I don't see the issue? Young children should know that same-sex relationships are perfectly normal in the modern world... One would hope that by the time our children are older, it will be a non-issue.

One criticism I might offer, though. A young child simply encountering same sex relationships in the real world probably won't find it odd unless they've been told its odd. My daughter first met a friend of mine and his partner when she was 4; she knew they were together and it didn't register as unusual to her at all. Which is surely how it should be.

Now... By introducing the concept of Pride, you sort of cancel out that effect. By loudly announcing that it's normal, are you not by implication informing young people of the fact that there are people out there who think it ISN'T normal and trigger a whole host of questions? And the internal queation; "Do I think it's normal or not?"

And I do think that's a question better suited to a mind capable of free thinking / analytical thought. Which means no under 11's. Because they literally can't do that, which is something people tend to forget or overlook.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its rarely used as a phrase to describe people with unique struggles so i dont think you have a solid point tbh.

I didn't say it was for people with unique struggles, just that their struggles are the same as all other LGBT people, so there's no need for it to be LGBTQ - putting the Q on the end adds nothing, apart from another letter.

[Cherie]

Diversity and inclusion forms the basis for the curriculum in every school, parents can’t pick and choose which parts of society they want to include otherwise it’s a bit pointless

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

One criticism I might offer, though. A young child simply encountering same sex relationships in the real world probably won't find it odd unless they've been told its odd. My daughter first met a friend of mine and his partner when she was 4; she knew they were together and it didn't register as unusual to her at all. Which is surely how it should be.

Now... By introducing the concept of Pride, you sort of cancel out that effect. By loudly announcing that it's normal, are you not by implication informing young people of the fact that there are people out there who think it ISN'T normal and trigger a whole host of questions? And the internal question; "Do I think it's normal or not?"

And I do think that's a question better suited to a mind capable of free thinking / analytical thought. Which means no under 11's. Because they literally can't do that, which is something people tend to forget or overlook.

If they literally can't do that, then they won't ask it

I do think events such as this do help to educate though, in that they can quash the kind of "lol your gay" playground insults and taunting (perhaps I'm thinking too idealistically, though), which I would imagine is the primary motive for trying to organise an event such as this. I don't think they enhance the idea of "otherness" at all, and that's something that irritates me about adult members of the LGBT community who act all uppity and "above" pride events. The whole point is to celebrate your history and who fought for your rights - so people who just veer away and say it's "too gay for them" and "they don't want to make a scene" are just internalising the homophobia they've been subjected to on themselves.

I don't think a full queer history needs to be instilled on kids - especially not primary school children - but if this is just a one-off event in the same spirit of say, Red Nose Days or Children in Needs or War reenactments or "dress like a Victorian day" or whatever else happens at primary school, I think it's just a nice excuse for fun and also a perfectly innocent way of encouraging children to be less...judgmental I guess? But I see what you mean about that, in turn, perhaps making some kids go "hey **** this, this is lame" or whatever - but I think some kids just react this way to a lot of things

I think we're underestimating the topics that young children are exposed to: why is it okay for kids to learn about the grim realities of the world wars, or famine in Africa, or some fat king from 600 years ago beheading his exes for failing to bear children, but not something like this?

And if it's a case of trying to shelter them from grown-up topics of romance, sex and sexuality, then let's abolish all lessons about the royal weddings, the Nativity, Romeo and Juliet, sex education...

[Eddie.]

Well I’m all for Pride events, but not in Primary Schools...

[T*]

Originally Posted by MB.

I swear some people don't actually think before they react and jump to conclusions on here sometimes

That’s because they do lmao
That’s 90% of all of this

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

If my son's school did this I would proudly attend. He does know about LGBT issues as I have gay friends and their relationships are as normal to him as any. He doesn't think of it in a sexual way obviously, just that Paul and Chris love each other are together like Vickie and Rob. No big deal.

If all kids were the same then homophobia would slowly diminish and we can all live our own lives without worrying about who is with who regardless of gender

get ha sis!

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

it’s actually so sad that in today’s society, there are still parents who don’t want their kids to know that LGBT exists

Different cultures.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats not how it works or you wouldnt have come on to a thread to slag off LGBT pride you fool! Lets a least try not being hypocritical!

And let’s not try to get all hysterical over it. Like I say it depends on the cultural background of the parents. Whether that sounds PC or not.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But it isn't a choice, you can either accept your sexuality or you can live in delusion. I don't know why anyone would think the latter is a choice....

It hasn’t exactly been determined there is 100% proof it’s not a choice has it. It’s not very helpful to the ‘debate’ to exaggerate the findings of studies to suit your stance. It isn’t quite as black and white as that!

https://www.newscientist.com/article...l-orientation/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Redway

Different cultures.

Thats exactly it, it would be interesting to know the ethnicity of the school kids

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thats exactly it, it would be interesting to know the ethnicity of the school kids

“Most people are tolerant these days unless they’re old or extremely religious.”

Mhm. Depends if they’re white British or not. The truth is that different ethnic communities have different attitudes to things like this. I know we like to pretend all cultures are at the same level of exposure and tolerance but we’re not. No one readily admits that because of political correctness but we all know that deep down

[bots]

Nothing is ever mandatory at a school, it's impossible to enforce

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Redway

“Most people are tolerant these days unless they’re old or extremely religious.”

Mhm. Depends if they’re white British or not. The truth is that different ethnic communities have different attitudes to things like this. I know we like to pretend all cultures are at the same level of exposure and tolerance but we’re not. No one readily admits that because of political correctness but we all know that deep down

100 per cent, Christianity is constantly mocked on here when its light years ahead of other religions in some respects but we can’t mention that naturally the ethnicity of the kids at this school is the key to the parents outrage given its an inner London school the odds are 90 per cent of the kids will not be white British

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Cherie

100 per cent, Christianisty is constantly mocked on here when its light years ahead of other religions in some respects but we can’t mention that naturally the ethnicity of the kids at this school is the key to the parents outrage given its an inner London school the odds are 90 per cent of the kids will not be white British

Yh b. None of that matters on here though because everyone’s white British.

[kirklancaster]

Heavers Farm Primary School - A few facts:

"Heavers Farm is a much larger than average-sized primary school.

Three-quarters of pupils come from mainly Black African and Caribbean backgrounds, with around a quarter of White British origin.

A third of pupils speak English as an additional language.

The proportion of pupils with disabilities and/or special educational needs is well above average; a significant number have behaviour, social and emotional difficulties.

The proportion of pupils known to be eligible for free school meals is well above average.

The school has exceeded the government floor standards for the percentage of pupils achieving Level 4 or above in English and mathematics over the past three years

The governing body runs a breakfast club and an after-school games club, both of which were inspected at the same time as the main school.

The school has Healthy School status and hold the Activemark Award. It has the Intermediate International School Award also.

Facts:

PUPILS - 719

AGES - 3 - 11

GENDER - Mixed

TYPE - Community School

Ofsted Report - 10/11/2016:

All Reports: 81% (NATIONAL AVERAGE. 61%)

PERCENTAGE of pupils meeting the expected standard in reading, writing and mathematics: 14% (NA 9%)

PERCENTAGE of pupils achieving the higher standard in reading, writing and mathematics:

READING: 106 (NA 104)

MATHS: 105 (NA 104)

PUPIL/TEACHER RATIO: 21.5:1 (NA 20.6:1)

ABSENCE: 13.7% (NA 8.2%)

SCHOOL LANGUAGE*: 28% (NA 20.5%) *Where Pupil's First Language is not English.

FREE SCHOOL MEALS: 30.3% (NA 24.9%)

PUPIL HAPPINESS RATING: 84 (NA 93)

[Redway]

There we go. Not everyone’s European and PC.

[chuff me dizzy]

A pride event in a children's school ? the worlds gone mad !! I would keep my child off school that day

[Livia]

Time for adults to stop forcing this kind of crap on kids. Someone had an agenda when they thought of this, and it wasn't one of the pupils. 'Pride' is a great thing for adults and long may the celebration continue, but forcing it on a school? Surely the message should be inclusion and not separation? Being gay doesn't make you different from the rest of society, you're not unique or special, you're just another person. Maybe that'd be a better lesson.