[Cherie]

There was a spike in registrations after the debate last night, and the system crashed, the deadline to register was midnight, I have no sympathy as its been open for months

[arista]

Yes to many left it too late
I guess some may have wanted to Vote
after last night ITV's Live debate.


Crazy to leave to the last few hours

[joeysteele]

If there is a set deadline and something happens up to that deadline that prevents the desired action being able to be done.
Then that is not the fault of anyone trying to beat that deadline.

If you had won a great prize and had up to a deadline time and date to claim it,if the system failed before the deadline time and date, then we would have every right to have an extension.

The deadline to register was 11.59pm not 10pm. That is absolutely no fault at all of those wishing to comply with applying before the deadline time and date was reached.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If there is a set deadline and something happens up to that deadline that prevents the desired action being able to be done.
Then that is not the fault of anyone trying to beat that deadline.

If you had won a great prize and had up to a deadline time and date to claim it,if the system failed before the deadline time and date, then we would have every right to have an extension.

The deadline to register was 11.59pm not 10pm. That is absolutely no fault at all of those wishing to comply with applying before the deadline time and date was reached.

I agree in principle with what you are saying. But, as the online system relied on the net and computers and the same are known to be loopy under pressure, it is on the person registering to ensure they do it with enough time to rectify if it goes wrong. Similar to something being lost in the post, if it gets lost, you do it early enough to ensure you have the ability to send it again or use some other method.

Its not like people haven't been warned plenty of times, they should take responsibility for their own tardiness and live with the consequences rather than looking for others to blame.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I agree in principle with what you are saying. But, as the online system relied on the net and computers and the same are known to be loopy under pressure, it is on the person registering to ensure they do it with enough time to rectify if it goes wrong. Similar to something being lost in the post, if it gets lost, you do it early enough to ensure you have the ability to send it again or use some other method.

Its not like people haven't been warned plenty of times, they should take responsibility for their own tardiness and live with the consequences rather than looking for others to blame.

Agree I don't get the excuse either that they didn't know where they would be living until 10pm last night, signing up to anything on the internet at short notice is fraught with things that can go wrong

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Agree I don't get the excuse either that they didn't know where they would be living until 10pm last night, signing up to anything on the internet at short notice is fraught with things that can go wrong

if you are catching a flight, and don't leave sufficient time for a traffic jam or whatever and miss the flight, its your own fault, not the fault of the airline .... its the same thing

[Cherie]

Now some are calling for the deadline to be extended

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if you are catching a flight, and don't leave sufficient time for a traffic jam or whatever and miss the flight, its your own fault, not the fault of the airline .... its the same thing

Yes but if the actual deadline check in time is say 8pm you have until that time to check in, not 'have' to do so by 6pm.

[Livia]

Let's change the rules for all those people who couldn't be arsed to get their ducks in a row.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Let's change the rules for all those people who couldn't be arsed to get their ducks in a row.

Its not about changing the rules at all, if the set deadline could not be met for those complying with it.

You have to have postal votes in by the deadline 10pm on voting day but you can send then any time from getting them,even weeks before the vote.
Those who take more time are no less valid than those who do so rapidly.

[joeysteele]

Then just out of common sense and right,what is the point of having deadlines if it is in any way acceptable the service is not going to be available until the 'set' deadline.
Odd take on democracy there.

Why in the UK are people not automatically on the voting register anyway, once they turn 18 unless they request not to be.

I think it should be extended and am stunned that anyone thinks anyone who should be eligible and have a legal right to vote, and who complied with the deadline put in place,should now be excluded from doing so.

We are having debates now, just maybe some were spurred by those debates to actually bother to vote after all, isn't that the original intention of the debates, to actually try to reach and motivate people.

[Northern Monkey]

I've got splinters in my arse on this one.
Part of me agrees with Joey that since it's their server that crashed then they should reimburse that time really as they have set the deadline and should honour that amount of time.

But then part of me thinks if you are going to say for example go and queue up for an event or something and the deadline for entry is say 8.00pm and hundreds of people rush to get in at say 7.45pm then not everyone is going to get in due to the time restriction and amount of people all trying to get in.Then it's just tough luck and you'd just accept it.
The only thing is that this is much more important.
On balance i'd say really they should give the time back as a gesture of good will and because of the importance of the situation.So i'm with Joey on balance.

[Cherie]

Now they are saying you can register all day today? I'm sorry it smacks of hand holding, most of those who got caught will be quite aware that sites crash internet connections can be lost, but the lesson learned is deadlines can now be extended if they can't get their act together and do it in time, apparently it also favours remain as it will be mostly under 25s who will not have complied with the deadline, still happy Monkey

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Now they are saying you can register all day today? I'm sorry it smacks of hand holding, most of those who got caught will be quite aware that sites crash internet connections can be lost, but the lesson learned is deadlines can now be extended if they can't get their act together and do it in time, apparently it also favours remain as it will be mostly under 25s who will not have complied with the deadline, still happy Monkey

I'm not really that arsed tbh.Whatever will be will be.I'm sure my life won't change drastically either way.Maybe shorter queues and quicker doctors and dentists appointments if we leave but feck it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I'm not really that arsed tbh.Whatever will be will be.I'm sure my life won't change drastically either way.Maybe shorter queues and quicker doctors and dentists appointments if we leave but feck it.

If we leave nothing will happen overnight, it will be years before anything is sorted

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If we leave nothing will happen overnight, it will be years before anything is sorted

I personally fear things will happen Cherie.

It will be years for sure but the uncertainty around for those years of what deals may be done, and deals won or not won.
What conditions will apply eventually, not known too for some considerable time,either as to an EU deal or deals around the World.

That is not in anyway going to boost our economy or inspire confidence from Foreign investors as to doing so in the UK.

Then at the end of the years of negotiations the UK could I think very likely find itself running around just making up strongly lost ground, even just to get back to the point where we are today again.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If we leave nothing will happen overnight, it will be years before anything is sorted

Yep i agree.I don't think we will see anything happen quickly either way.I do however think that the EU commissioners have a few things up their sleeves that they are waiting to implement after our referendum,Things we probably won't agree with that they will have put on hold until we vote to remain or leave,Things that would affect the vote.But like everything in the EU we will not see anything happen quickly.

[joeysteele]

I am pleased common sense has prevailed and that people can register today,that is fair it is still a full 2 weeks before polling day.

If now anyone hasn't done so then I too will have no sympathy then with them.

[Livia]

This is what happens when people leave stuff as important as this to the last minute. Every other disorganised person in the country who also left it to the last minute joins with you to crash the website. Who's fault is it that the server crashed? The host of arses who have had the rest of their life to register but left it to a couple of hours before a deadline. A deadline.

The moral of this story? Sort yourself out and don't leave everything till the last minute in case there's a problem.

[Jack_]

People actually care about this? Why?

It's not going to affect your right to vote, it just means others are rightfully going to be allowed the opportunity to. If extending the deadline means more people are entitled to exercise their democratic right after this appalling new system has ****ed so many people over, then I don't see the problem.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People actually care about this? Why?

It's not going to affect your right to vote, it just means others are rightfully going to be allowed the opportunity to. If extending the deadline means more people are entitled to exercise their democratic right after this appalling new system has ****ed so many people over, then I don't see the problem.

What crashed the system was a host of people who couldn't get their sh1t together in time and all tried to register right up against the deadline. And honestly, when you've had the whole year to register and you couldn't be bothered until hours before the deadline, I'm not sure your vote is going to be worth waiting for.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People actually care about this? Why?

It's not going to affect your right to vote, it just means others are rightfully going to be allowed the opportunity to. If extending the deadline means more people are entitled to exercise their democratic right after this appalling new system has ****ed so many people over, then I don't see the problem.

Why bother with a deadline at all? The only reason it was extended was to favour "remain"' do you honestly think they would have extended for any other reason so yes we should be bothered

Originally Posted by Ross.

Let the latecomers have their vote Cherie!

Will they get out of bed to vote though I mean if they can't get to the PCs in their bedrooms

Originally Posted by Livia

What crashed the system was a host of people who couldn't get their sh1t together in time and all tried to register right up against the deadline. And honestly, when you've had the whole year to register and you couldn't be bothered until hours before the deadline, I'm not sure your vote is going to be worth waiting for.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Livia

What crashed the system was a host of people who couldn't get their sh1t together in time and all tried to register right up against the deadline. And honestly, when you've had the whole year to register and you couldn't be bothered until hours before the deadline, I'm not sure your vote is going to be worth waiting for.

I wasn't talking about the crash, I meant the entirely new system of individual voter registration itself which has meant nearly a million people falling off the register - it's appalling and so if the deadline being extended means more of those who were ****ed over by it now get their chance to vote, that isn't a bad thing.

It doesn't matter when people choose to register. It's not an incremental deadline where if you register twelve months in advance your vote is worth ten times more than someone who registers twelve days before. A deadline is a deadline. If I submit an essay half an hour before it is due, it is marked and treated in exactly the same manner as someone who did it a day before me.

If people were trying to register after the deadline then you would have a point, but so long as it were before the deadline it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to how 'worthy' their vote is, what nonsense.

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why bother with a deadline at all? The only reason it was extended was to favour "remain"' do you honestly think they would have extended for any other reason so yes we should be bothered

The argument that it favours the remain side is pure conjecture, what about those who are undecided? Perhaps they weren't sure if they were going to vote, watched the debate and then thought it best to register?

The simple fact is by extending the deadline more people are going to be entitled to exercise their democratic right to vote, that isn't a bad thing no matter how people wish to look at it and really it speaks volumes if you think it is

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I wasn't talking about the crash, I meant the entirely new system of individual voter registration itself which has meant nearly a million people falling off the register - it's appalling and so if the deadline being extended means more of those who were ****ed over by it now get their chance to vote, that isn't a bad thing.

It doesn't matter when people choose to register. It's not an incremental deadline where if you register twelve months in advance your vote is worth ten times more than someone who registers twelve days before. A deadline is a deadline. If I submit an essay half an hour before it is due, it is marked and treated in exactly the same manner as someone who did it a day before me.

If people were trying to register after the deadline then you would have a point, but so long as it were before the deadline it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to how 'worthy' their vote is, what nonsense.



The argument that it favours the remain side is pure conjecture, what about those who are undecided? Perhaps they weren't sure if they were going to vote, watched the debate and then thought it best to register?

The simple fact is by extending the deadline more people are going to be entitled to exercise their democratic right to vote, that isn't a bad thing no matter how people wish to look at it and really it speaks volumes if you think it is

Totally excellent points Jack_ all through.

I believe in the fullest democracy in the UK and quite frankly I am astounded that there is not in place automatic voter registration for those who turn 18 years old.

In your first part of your post, you make a brilliant point as to some falling off the register due to the changes and I indeed know of some in the last week who believed they were on the register, then got no polling information.
So had to re-register, ridiculous.

It astounds me that anyone involved in politics or even just interested in politics, would actually not want to encourage, and make sure all people of eligible status and age, can use their full right of a democratic vote in the UK.

Maybe extending the deadline to 2 days later was excessive but the govt had to make its mind up whether to do so,most of one day was in fact lost making that decision, so fair enough.

However the right to vote should be an automatic thing put in place at 18 in my view.
Ensuring all citizens of the UK who are eligible to vote, are securely on the register is all that matters to me,no matter how they may vote or who for.

Naturally too if people move,it is necessary for them to update their information.

[Ross.]

Let the latecomers have their vote Cherie!