[Cherie]

If posts are deleted and the reason is not due to an infraction would it be possible that a general comment is made on the thread by the mod who deleted it as to why? It seems to be happening more and more in ...yes ...SD

[Jessica.]

I'm not known for abiding by the rules very well, but with the condition of SD at the moment, it's quite obvious why a mod would delete some posts. They are obviously trying to either prevent something escalating into an argument, removing something off-topic or it's something worthy of a warning or infraction and they're actually giving you a chance..

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I'm not known for abiding by the rules very well, but with the condition of SD at the moment, it's quite obvious why a mod would delete some posts. They are obviously trying to either prevent something escalating into an argument, removing something off-topic or it's something worthy of a warning or infraction and they're actually giving you a chance..

That's the point some times it's not obvious at all? If posts are removed as off topic, it's not difficult to give a quick explanation, Niamh generally goes bold for it, it's a system all mods should adopt this approach in my view.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That's the point some times it's not obvious at all? If posts are removed as off topic, it's not difficult to give a quick explanation, Niamh generally goes bold for it, it's a system all mods should adopt this approach in my view.

Well my posts have been deleted for stupid reasons before but when it comes down to it, the mods can only use their own judgement to take the action that they think is right. Yeah, I've complained about it but I'm not going to ask them to post a reason every time they delete a post.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Well my posts have been deleted for stupid reasons before but when it comes down to it, the mods can only use their own judgement to take the action that they think is right. Yeah, I've complained about it but I'm not going to ask them to post a reason every time they delete a post.

So you have complained about it? So why did you bother complaining if you didn't want anything done about it I'm sure the mods can take on board suggestions, if they can't why do we have a suggestion thread

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I'm not known for abiding by the rules very well, but with the condition of SD at the moment, it's quite obvious why a mod would delete some posts. They are obviously trying to either prevent something escalating into an argument, removing something off-topic or it's something worthy of a warning or infraction and they're actually giving you a chance..

...Jess......

[Kizzy]

I can't say I've noticed.. My posts don't go missing

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I can't say I've noticed.. My posts don't go missing

[Mokka]

I'll be honest... I would rather take an infraction if I posted something wrong rather than censorship without explanation. That being said... I don't want my infraction reasons to be riddled with sarcasm...just a direct reference to what it is for would be nice.

[Josy]

A lot of the time posts are removed for being part of an argument or quoting a post that is part of an argument, when something like that has happened in a thread most members taking part in the discussion will know why posts have been removed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Josy

A lot of the time posts are removed for being part of an argument or quoting a post that is part of an argument, when something like that has happened in a thread most members taking part in the discussion will know why posts have been removed.

Yes Josy
Keep it on the level

Nice to see

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Mokka

I'll be honest... I would rather take an infraction if I posted something wrong rather than censorship without explanation. That being said... I don't want my infraction reasons to be riddled with sarcasm...just a direct reference to what it is for would be nice.

Having just looked through youre entire list of infractions I can say there is not one sarcastic comment there, just some detailed reasons letting you know exactly what a warning or infraction is for.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Josy

Having just looked through youre entire list of infractions I can say there is not one sarcastic comment there, just some detailed reasons letting you know exactly what a warning or infraction is for.

Well that is simply not the truth

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Well that is simply not the truth

No it is the truth Mokka, we've been here before if I remember correctly and I had to then posts some of youre deleted comments to prove that I was telling the truth, you had nothing to say afterwards if I recall.

The fact is you possibly see something sarcastic due to not agreeing with the reasons, as I mentioned before it's only some detailed reasons as to why the infraction or warning was given in the first place.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Josy

No it is the truth Mokka, we've been before if I remember correctly and I had to then posts some of youre deleted comments to prove that I was telling the truth, you had nothing to say afterwards if I recall.

The fact is you possibly see something sarcastic due to not agreeing with the reasons, as I mentioned before it's only some detailed reasons as to why the infraction or warning was given in the first place.

No Josy.
I wasn't posting on the site when you decided to release half of my deleted post....edited for your convenience... in the time you referenced. So it wasn't that I had nothing to say... it was that I wasn't here.
Also, I would prefer a mod who is not giving my infractions to read through and decide what is sarcasm and what is an actual reason for an infraction... because you are not very good at regulating yourself...let's be honest

[kirklancaster]

Do I address MY contentions that your statement is not true in ALL cases on here Josy? Or in a pm to you?

Not only have I had COMPLETELY INNOCUOUS posts removed without ANY genuine reason, I have had subsequent posts INSTANTLY removed which simply asked "Why has my innocuous post been removed when it has breached no rules at all?"

I recently had 6 posts removed - ONE AFTER THE OTHER - just as soon as I posted them:

The first was a civil rebuttal response to a Mod who had made accusations against me in a post.

When it was removed not a nano second after I had submitted it, I posted a benign post asking why it had been removed.

When THAT was instantly removed, I posted a STILL civil post asking why my posts were being removed and along with them my Right To Reply.

Later on that thread, the Mod involved asked another member for 'proof' to her allegation that he was not 'playing by the forum's own rules' or words to that effect" and in response to his invitation for 'proof', I posted simply that "My proof keeps being removed".

For which simple INNOCENT TRUTH I enjoyed a Warning:

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Dear kirklancaster,

You have received a warning at ThisisBigBrother.com - UK TV Forums.

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You have been here long enough to know that when posts are deleted you don't keep bringing them up especially just to cause more drama or derail a thread.


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My PROOF keeps being removed???

Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

All the best,
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I have kept all relevant threads and can produce the above verbatim if need be, along with Warnings and Infractions for such totally innocent posts as:

posting CIVILLY to a member who I was debating with "I'm sorry, but you are simply not making any sense" - when SHE WAS NOT making any sense.

And again, for posting a good-natured humorous response to a member who had JUST posted the EXACT words I was about to post:

"You took the words right out of my mouth"

Did either of the above REALLY warrant punishment? Especially when so many far more grave and GENUINE breaches of forum rules are seen to be ALLOWED on a daily basis?

Did my posts above really deserve to be removed?

I would welcome a civil answer to be honest.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mokka

I'll be honest... I would rather take an infraction if I posted something wrong rather than censorship without explanation.

This


Are you feeling better Josy?

[smudgie]

Only had one post deleted to my knowledge, and on reflecting about it I realised it was probably called for in the interest of keeping the peace.
No complaints here.

[Denver]

all my posts were deleted when i told everyone the difference between Panseual and Bisexual

[Maru]

I appreciate that mods are here to offer up explanations as there does appear to be some dissension on the matter. Personally, I've never had anything deleted, edited or removed on TiBB... so I can't say for sure anything...

However, on other sites I used to receive PMs when posts were removed, edited, when threads were moved etc... some places the edits were made on the post and an explanation towards the end... (probably should poll users before doing this to see if it is appropriate)

I think this works far more effectively than a non-explanation and even in some cases better than an infraction... doesn't need to be an exhaustive rundown, just short and to the point explanation. Maybe one or two sentences. It invites a response, a little more work sometimes on the front end for a mod , but it does give the affected user a chance to explain their problematic post, allowing room for mutual respect to occur, and hopefully to prevent further issues in the future... which imo, is not only is more transparent for user, but for the mod but for the user... makes it easier to mod discussions over time as some users get the message quicker and can build rapport (lead to less micro mgmt)... then you can focus solely on taking care of the true bad guys ... because you see better the intention of some people's writing styles and can correct them accordingly, and not witnessing an increasingly disaffected user who feels continually impeded when making arguments in highly contested threads.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Maru

I appreciate that mods are here to offer up explanations as there does appear to be some dissension on the matter. Personally, I've never had anything deleted, edited or removed on TiBB... so I can't say for sure anything...

However, on other sites I used to receive PMs when posts were removed, edited, when threads were moved etc... some places the edits were made on the post and an explanation towards the end... (probably should poll users before doing this to see if it is appropriate)

I think this works far more effectively than a non-explanation and even in some cases better than an infraction... doesn't need to be an exhaustive rundown, just short and to the point explanation. Maybe one or two sentences. It invites a response, a little more work sometimes on the front end for a mod , but it does give the affected user a chance to explain their problematic post, allowing room for mutual respect to occur, and hopefully to prevent further issues in the future... which imo, is not only is more transparent for user, but for the mod but for the user... makes it easier to mod discussions over time as some users get the message quicker and can build rapport (lead to less micro mgmt)... then you can focus solely on taking care of the true bad guys ... because you see better the intention of some people's writing styles and can correct them accordingly, and not witnessing an increasingly disaffected user who feels continually impeded when making arguments in highly contested threads.

What Maru said that pinpoints my thoughts on the matter beautifully

[Maru]

Profile Warning
Reason: No need for pathetic snipes at staff when using the report button, as told to you numerous times before other peoples infractions or the reason for them are nothing to do with you!earlier

Wow. Yeah. Moderating is certainly a real drag sometimes... but to me this is counterproductive as you've just sniped at the user you told not to snipe (even worse it feels more personal)... no good result can occur. Try saying something like this to a customer or client who is being combatant...(well if you weren't so bitchy with your complaints ).. see if their reaction improves. Spoiler: It won't. The manager will be called (always great when that happens ) and they will feel even more entitled to their position... which means it'll take more to satisfy them and calm them down... my view.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Maru

Wow. Yeah. Moderating is certainly a real drag sometimes... but to me this is counterproductive as you've just sniped at the user you told not to snipe (even worse it feels more personal)... no good result can occur. Try saying something like this to a customer or client who is being combatant...(well if you weren't so bitchy with your complaints ).. see if their reaction improves. Spoiler: It won't. The manager will be called (always great when that happens ) and they will feel even more entitled to their position... which means it'll take more to satisfy them and calm them down... my view.

Exactly... I would never say something like this to a client or customer with a complaint... and I deal with complaints on a daily basis as part of my job description

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Maru

Wow. Yeah. Moderating is certainly a real drag sometimes... but to me this is counterproductive as you've just sniped at the user you told not to snipe (even worse it feels more personal)... no good result can occur. Try saying something like this to a customer or client who is being combatant...(well if you weren't so bitchy with your complaints ).. see if their reaction improves. Spoiler: It won't. The manager will be called (always great when that happens ) and they will feel even more entitled to their position... which means it'll take more to satisfy them and calm them down... my view.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Maru

Wow. Yeah. Moderating is certainly a real drag sometimes... but to me this is counterproductive as you've just sniped at the user you told not to snipe (even worse it feels more personal)... no good result can occur. Try saying something like this to a customer or client who is being combatant...(well if you weren't so bitchy with your complaints ).. see if their reaction improves. Spoiler: It won't. The manager will be called (always great when that happens ) and they will feel even more entitled to their position... which means it'll take more to satisfy them and calm them down... my view.

With all due respect you do not know the context of that warning or what it was for. It's one thing to complain, its another to be rude and abusive about it and the manager would hopefully not tolerate such attacks on his staff.

At the end of the day none of us are paid to Moderate this forum and we all have lives and jobs outside of it. We take no real pleasure in giving infractions which often results in accusations of bias, abuse of power, pursuing a vendetta etc. etc. Sometimes we do get it wrong and I'm sure there's plenty of members on here who can say they've had an infraction/warning reversed when it was a result of a misunderstanding or after its been reviewed by other Mods/Admins. On the other hand the sheer lack of accountability and the refusal to admit any wrongdoing when some infractions are received often amazes me.

The reason that posts are sometimes deleted without explanation has been touched on by a few people now but it does often just invite more focus on what's been deleted rather than moving on from it. People start asking what was deleted, they speculate about what happened, and it can also fuel misguided claims of bias.

Like Dezzy said, if anyone wants to know why a post was deleted then PM one of the Mods and I'm sure they'd be happy to have a look at it.