[Brillopad]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...pporters-plan/

Arrogant fool encouraging people to squat in the homes of others. The real Corbyn. Quite happy to steal and exploit the tradegy of others to his own ends. He will be encouraging violence next.

[Kizzy]

How many anti corbyn threads is this now?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...pporters-plan/

Arrogant fool encouraging people to squat in the homes of others. The real Corbyn. Quite happy to steal and exploit the tradegy of others to his own ends. He will be encouraging violence next.

And he still hasn't opened HIS doors tut,tut, very remiss of him

Oh and violence has already occurred,http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...cid=spartanntp

[jennyjuniper]

Typical left. Do as I say, not as I do.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Typical left. Do as I say, not as I do.

Excuse me,I am on the left and if I actually lived in London I'd offer a room.
They don't want rooms, they had homes,they want to remain as near to the roots they've laid down in the area likely.

How does anyone know for sure he and others haven't offered already.
Also has anyone heard of any Con MP in the area offering too.

He isn't talking about people opening their doors, he is talking about people and companies owning multiple properties of which some are standing empty.

It must be wonderful to be so psychic people even know for sure everything Corbyn or anyone else may have said or done in private too.
While only attacking one side of course.

At least he looked for a temporary solution where people could have a home which wasn't being used at present,instead of people being stuck in halls.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Excuse me,I am on the left and if I actually lived in London I'd offer a room.
They don't want rooms, they had homes,they want to remain as near to the roots they've laid down in the area likely.

How does anyone know for sure he and others haven't offered already.
Also has anyone heard of any Con MP in the area offering too.

He isn't talking about people opening their doors, he is talking about people and companies owning multiple properties of which some are standing empty.

It must be wonderful to be so psychic people even know for sure everything Corbyn or anyone else may have said or done in private too.
While only attacking one side of course.

At least he looked for a temporary solution where people could have a home which wasn't being used at present,instead of people being stuck in halls.

Excuse me Joey,if he had offered a room to anyone,believe me he would have shouted it from the rafters,we would all have to know ,prime example this morning he was first to report he had been to the scene of todays attack and had spoken to people,TM has not been telling people to squat in peoples property has she? Corbyn is whipping up people to protest ,what good will that do,it wont rehome anyone,People will be rehoused ,there is no quick solution,although it might be a good thing to open some hotels etc up,but whatever it is only temporary until something permanent is found.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Excuse me Joey,if he had offered a room to anyone,believe me he would have shouted it from the rafters,we would all have to know ,prime example this morning he was first to report he had been to the scene of todays attack and had spoken to people,TM has not been telling people to squat in peoples property has she? Corbyn is whipping up people to protest ,what good will that do,it wont rehome anyone,People will be rehoused ,there is no quick solution,although it might be a good thing to open some hotels etc up,but whatever it is only temporary until something permanent is found.

Would he, you know him so well you would guarantee that.

I notice you ignored totally and out of your hate of him and Labour,the point I made,that he wasn't saying people should offer rooms.
He is talking about empty properties multiple owned by people or companies.

Really Kazanne,I am stunned at you on this I really am.
Never mind,we learn something everyday I guess.
So you go down your vitriolic endless hate Road,for me that's sad for me to witness.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Would he, you know him so well you would guarantee that.

I notice you ignored totally and out of your hate of him and Labour,the point I made,that he wasn't saying people should offer rooms.
He is talking about empty properties multiple owned by people or companies.

Really Kazanne,I am stunned at you on this I really am.
Never mind,we learn something everyday I guess.
So you go down your vitriolic endless hate Road,for me that's sad for me to witness.

I have NEVER said I hate him Joey,I actually said I felt sorry for him at one point,which I did,but since his rise in popularity since the election,he seems very puffed up and sure of himself,I know about the properties owned by people ,it was the thing about calling on people to squat that pissed me off,do you think they should? I have the same dislike for Corbyn as maybe you do for TM so why is that sad to see,I don't hold it against you personally I am the same person,I just have different opinions politically

[Kizzy]

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone ...Kensington council sit on Ł274 million instead of following fire recommendations and SOMEHOW the onus is on the Labour leader

[Northern Monkey]

It's truly awful what happened in that tower block and alot of questions need to be asked.Where was the sprinkler system?Apparently they spent money on making the outside look aestheticly pleasing but neglected safety features on the inside but I donfeel like Corbyn should act more responsibly being leader of the opposition.Not inflame tensions even more.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It's truly awful what happened in that tower block and alot of questions need to be asked.Where was the sprinkler system?Apparently they spent money on making the outside look aestheticly pleasing but neglected safety features on the inside but I donfeel like Corbyn should act more responsibly being leader of the opposition.Not inflame tensions even more.

he is a protestor, not a leader. He has spent his whole life protesting against the establishment. He isn't capable of being a leader and acting responsibly

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he is a protestor, not a leader. He has spent his whole life protesting against the establishment. He isn't capable of being a leader and acting responsibly

Why can't a protestor be a leader? He evidently cares about the country. Seems like just another throwaway tory slogan tbh

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Why can't a protestor be a leader? He evidently cares about the country. Seems like just another throwaway tory slogan tbh

its not. At some point if he ever makes it to PM he has to take responsibility for the establishment that he is a part of, because he will be its leader. There is nothing wrong with constructive disagreement, that benefits everyone, but Corbyn is a long long way from constructive. That's the difference

[Toy Soldier]

I'm going to have to be totally honest and say that I'm pretty much disgusted by Corbyn's response to this. He's latched onto it as propaganda, pure and ****ing simple. And that's not a "side switching" because May has been as incompetent, robotic and elitist as ever.

There is no upside here, I'm back to realising that they're all utterly ****ing horrendous and wanting Scotland as far away from toxic Westminster politics as possible.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm going to have to be totally honest and say that I'm pretty much disgusted by Corbyn's response to this. He's latched onto it as propaganda, pure and ****ing simple. And that's not a "side switching" because May has been as incompetent, robotic and elitist as ever.

There is no upside here, I'm back to realising that they're all utterly ****ing horrendous and wanting Scotland as far away from toxic Westminster politics as possible.

Totally agree.It makes me not want to vote anymore.
I kind of wish I hadn't even though it wouldn't have made a difference.

[Toy Soldier]

It's perfectly reasonable to point out that something needs to be done about the super rich buying up property in urban areas and letting it sit empty when urban space needs to be properly used. That's fine. That's a valid political point to bring up. Later.

The idea that families should simply squat in vacant properties is utterly ludicrous to the point that I don't even know where to start. It isn't feasible, it isn't practical, it isn't secure for the families themselves... The list of problems is endless and Corbyn KNOWS that, he knows it isn't realistic, he is making a CHEAP political point exploitatively at the expense of hundreds of suffering people and dozens of dead. It makes me really ****ing angry and if it isn't making other Corbyn supporters angry then... Yeah... I'm sorry but you ARE being blinkered and biased. What he and others are doing here is mercenary and repulsive.

I saw it days ago on the main thread about the fire and was poo-poo'd away, "it's not political! Everyone is united! You're wrong TS"!

As usual I was not bloody wrong and it's exactly the petty political sh**show on all sides that I said it was.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's perfectly reasonable to point out that something needs to be done about the super rich buying up property in urban areas and letting it sit empty when urban space needs to be properly used. That's fine. That's a valid political point to bring up. Later.

The idea that families should simply squat in vacant properties is utterly ludicrous to the point that I don't even know where to start. It isn't feasible, it isn't practical, it isn't secure for the families themselves... The list of problems is endless and Corbyn KNOWS that, he knows it isn't realistic, he is making a CHEAP political point exploitatively at the expense of hundreds of suffering people and dozens of dead. It makes me really ****ing angry and if it isn't making other Corbyn supporters angry then... Yeah... I'm sorry but you ARE being blinkered and biased. What he and others are doing here is mercenary and repulsive.

I saw it days ago on the main thread about the fire and was poo-poo'd away, "it's not political! Everyone is united! You're wrong TS"!

As usual I was not bloody wrong and it's exactly the petty political sh**show on all sides that I said it was.

I saw it days ago on the main thread about the fire and was poo-poo'd away, "it's not political! Everyone is united! You're wrong TS"!

sorry who said that is would not get political?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I saw it days ago on the main thread about the fire and was poo-poo'd away, "it's not political! Everyone is united! You're wrong TS"!

sorry who said that is would not get political?

I actually initially said it was political but shouldn't be about party politics. The first few pages managed to not be about party politics. I was at work for a chunk of time and came back 10 or so pages later, and lamented the fact that it was starting to creep into party politics... I was largely shouted down for this.

It is now ALL about party politics, and it's a mess.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's perfectly reasonable to point out that something needs to be done about the super rich buying up property in urban areas and letting it sit empty when urban space needs to be properly used. That's fine. That's a valid political point to bring up. Later.

The idea that families should simply squat in vacant properties is utterly ludicrous to the point that I don't even know where to start. It isn't feasible, it isn't practical, it isn't secure for the families themselves... The list of problems is endless and Corbyn KNOWS that, he knows it isn't realistic, he is making a CHEAP political point exploitatively at the expense of hundreds of suffering people and dozens of dead. It makes me really ****ing angry and if it isn't making other Corbyn supporters angry then... Yeah... I'm sorry but you ARE being blinkered and biased. What he and others are doing here is mercenary and repulsive.

I saw it days ago on the main thread about the fire and was poo-poo'd away, "it's not political! Everyone is united! You're wrong TS"!

As usual I was not bloody wrong and it's exactly the petty political sh**show on all sides that I said it was.

he is causing riots, hes a communist disruptor who dislikes his own country and is basically promoting vigilantism

[Jack_]

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/res...c7ab1/toplines

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jack_

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/res...c7ab1/toplines

Easy for us to say,it's not our property being taken,so not sure that poll would be really accurate as only the brave will tick oppose wont they? We all like to be seen as caring and words are cheap.

[Toy Soldier]

I don't know Joey. If it was as simple as looking at it as a solution, he could have said it as a message reaching out to the owners of the empty properties to allow people to stay in those properties. But then what? Are the owners of the properties then liable for making sure that THOSE properties are safe for habitation like other landlords are (or should be)? What if one has faulty wiring, or is full of asbestos, or black mould, or whatever else... who is responsible?

Like I said before he will know fine well that his "well meaning" solution is unworkable and he knows it's unrealistic... which makes the suggestion a political point-scoring game. Combine that with the quite blatantly posed pictures of him hugging residents and it genuinely is making me feel quite horrified. I know propaganda when I see it, that works for both sides. The Tories have been using horrible propaganda for years in their campaigns and for the mostpart Labour lately have kept their nose clean - but maybe now that they see actual possibilities on the horizon that's slipping because those pictures were not random press snaps. They were propaganda shots. This fist-in-the-air "take the empty properties" nonsense is a propaganda statement.

Rotten to the core, thew entire thing. Corbyn and co using it to promote a false caring image. May and co shaking in their boots because it's damaging their image. If you want to see people who care, take a look at those normal locals who are just out there helping without any other agenda or thought other than to make sure that those people are OK where they stand right now... because not ONE of these politicians gives a shiny **** about any of it beyond how it might help or harm their position.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know Joey. If it was as simple as looking at it as a solution, he could have said it as a message reaching out to the owners of the empty properties to allow people to stay in those properties. But then what? Are the owners of the properties then liable for making sure that THOSE properties are safe for habitation like other landlords are (or should be)? What if one has faulty wiring, or is full of asbestos, or black mould, or whatever else... who is responsible?

Like I said before he will know fine well that his "well meaning" solution is unworkable and he knows it's unrealistic... which makes the suggestion a political point-scoring game. Combine that with the quite blatantly posed pictures of him hugging residents and it genuinely is making me feel quite horrified. I know propaganda when I see it, that works for both sides. The Tories have been using horrible propaganda for years in their campaigns and for the mostpart Labour lately have kept their nose clean - but maybe now that they see actual possibilities on the horizon that's slipping because those pictures were not random press snaps. They were propaganda shots. This fist-in-the-air "take the empty properties" nonsense is a propaganda statement.

Rotten to the core, thew entire thing. Corbyn and co using it to promote a false caring image. May and co shaking in their boots because it's damaging their image. If you want to see people who care, take a look at those normal locals who are just out there helping without any other agenda or thought other than to make sure that those people are OK where they stand right now... because not ONE of these politicians gives a shiny **** about any of it beyond how it might help or harm their position.

I have to agree TS

[Livia]

While I have to agree with those who've criticised Theresa May's response to the fire, Corbyn's cynical exploitation of the terrible events at Grenfell Tower shocked me... and I thought I'd seen everything they had to offer. It was sickening to see.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

While I have to agree with those who've criticised Theresa May's response to the fire, Corbyn's cynical exploitation of the terrible events at Grenfell Tower shocked me... and I thought I'd seen everything they had to offer. It was sickening to see.

Well at least that's fair,whether we agree or not.

You have been consistent in your mistrust of Corbyn but on this,you are ready to acknowledge the equally fair criticism of Mrs May,who I,(like you with Corbyn),have never liked for all my time on this forum.

So at least your post is more fair and refreshing.