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26-11-2018, 07:45 PM | #1 | |||
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He's spent his entire career playing for one of the best club sides in the world, surrounded by great players like Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar, Ronaldinho, Suarez and Henry, winning most games they play against nobodies week in week out. But when it's come to playing at the top level of football (International level) the best of the best, he hasn't had what it takes to win anything.
He's not even in the top 20 post WW2 best players. |
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26-11-2018, 07:59 PM | #2 | |||
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One of the top-four of all-time. If people are saying that then he is not overrated.
The top players usually end up playing for the best teams, so you can't hold that against him. By the same token he might not have had the players around him at international level to win more there. I think Maradona didn't play with many other great players when they won the World Cup, but Messi has had a longer career, being one of the very best, than Maradona. |
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26-11-2018, 08:01 PM | #3 | |||
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Jessica Meuse was robbed.
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Messi does seem to be a bit ropey at International level I'll give you that Alf.
However his own personal achievements at Barcelona are an incredible technical achievement, he isn't my favourite player to watch (personally I prefer to watch Aguero for Man City out of the Argentinian players) but I don't think that it can be denied that Messi will go down as a great for Barcelona fans and Football in general. I would love to see him play in the Premier League however and see how he copes against the tougher mid-table teams compared to La Liga. But either way a great player as I've already stated.
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27-11-2018, 12:48 AM | #4 | |||
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27-11-2018, 04:06 AM | #5 | |||
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Jessica Meuse was robbed.
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26-11-2018, 08:26 PM | #6 | |||
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27-11-2018, 01:13 AM | #7 | |||
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Matthaus not mentioned here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...st_of_all_time
I'd say definitely the top four are in no particular order Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Pele and Maradona. |
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28-11-2018, 11:27 PM | #8 | |||
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He has one of the highest goal-scoring ratios of any player in the UCL / European Cup - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ue_top_scorers |
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29-11-2018, 07:03 PM | #9 | |||
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Would Messi have those scoring records playing for Espanol? Last edited by Alf; 29-11-2018 at 07:05 PM. |
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02-12-2018, 10:05 AM | #10 | |||
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same how we can debate about Gerd Muller not being a technically good player, but he did score 68 goals in 65 matches for the german national team, and his many many goals he scored for Bayern Munich which does make him an all time great
Messi is great for his style of play and his ability to score phenomenal goals
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05-12-2018, 07:42 AM | #11 | |||
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Not only did he score ton's of goals for Munich helping them win lots of league titles and 3 European cups (scoring in 2 of the 3 finals), he was also prolific at the top level on the biggest stage, winning the Golden boot at the 1970 World cup and scoring the winning goal in the 74 final against your boys. In between that he also won the European championships with his country (he scored in that final too). |
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05-12-2018, 08:25 AM | #12 | |||
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Did you ever see him play !!?! He was basically a goal hanger .. the kind of kid you hated when you played footie with your mates .. Everyone would be running around , passing and tackling then the ball would go to him stood in the penalty box to score .. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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05-12-2018, 08:35 AM | #13 | |||
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I never saw him play in his time, but have seen plenty of him on film, and as a football historian, I've researched his career. Last edited by Alf; 05-12-2018 at 08:38 AM. |
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05-12-2018, 08:38 AM | #14 | |||
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He was a great finisher ( not as good as Romario or Jimmy Greaves ) but great for his time . He shouldn't be heard in the same sentence as Messi though imho Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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02-12-2018, 11:38 AM | #15 | |||
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A top 4 without Cruyff in it, is open to debate
I think Messi is a great player, but I dont think he or Ronaldo are top 4 material where Pele and Maradona, there is no doubt. Last edited by bitontheslide; 02-12-2018 at 11:40 AM. |
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05-12-2018, 08:34 AM | #16 | |||
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he is good but he is hardly Alan Devonshire
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05-12-2018, 09:32 AM | #17 | |||
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He's no Adrian Mutu
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01-05-2019, 09:27 PM | #19 | |||
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01-05-2019, 09:39 PM | #20 | |||
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Liverpool have a fountain to climb in the second leg according to miss karma.
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02-05-2019, 12:56 AM | #21 | |||
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Klopp failed us tonight with a new formation
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