[Rob!]

Personally, I think the only sensible thing we can do is revoke article 50. That, at the very least, gives us the option to try this again if we must when we have a more capable government in charge. The magic deal May seems so insistent on delivering has zero support by anybody, despite the fact that the public doesn't really have a clue what it involves and No Deal promises to completely change the face of Britain for the worst apart from in the eyes that arguably have their own agendas. Sadly though, I think it is the option that will end up happening as May is too pig headed to consider anything else.

[LeatherTrumpet]

4 options

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

4 options

I know, I forgot about the ref option until I got to the poll bit

[LeatherTrumpet]

Rob are you Diane Abbott?

[Oliver_W]

Just agree to a deal and get on with it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Should revoke A50 with the promise of a new referendum when there is an actual plan to leave.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Just agree to a deal and get on with it.

then you need a newer parliament first of all, cause this current one will never agree to a deal from their PM May

[Scarlett.]

Time for another referendum, it's clear the government cannot decide for themselves, so it falls to the population instead, and this time put actual options on the ballot.

[Elliot]

I meant to vote second referendum oops

[Withano]

I think it needs to be a second referendum instead of revoking article 50, otherwise the leavers will get super salty and probably start rioting. Remain will probably win by like 60%+ and that should shut them up until somebody has a valid idea we can discuss against remaining.

[Livia]

Hard Brexit. The only people who want a second referendum are those who want to remain and those who couldn't be arsed to vote in the first referendum.

Democracy has spoken. We need to leave.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hard Brexit. The only people who want a second referendum are those who want to remain and those who couldn't be arsed to vote in the first referendum.

Democracy has spoken. We need to leave.

Not true tbh.

Many leavers are looking at the mess and saying that they would now vote completely differently.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hard Brexit. The only people who want a second referendum are those who want to remain and those who couldn't be arsed to vote in the first referendum.

Democracy has spoken. We need to leave.

People voted for leave having no idea what it would entail, forecasts have shown that the UK will be worse off regardless of any deal, why should people be denied a vote now they know the facts?

The only people that don’t want a second referendum are leavers who are terrified that people have realized what a **** show this is and will vote to remain

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Smithy

People voted for leave having no idea what it would entail, forecasts have shown that the UK will be worse off regardless of any deal, why should people be denied a vote now they know the facts?

The only people that don’t want a second referendum are leavers who are terrified that people have realized what a **** show this is and will vote to remain

A second referendum would be a blow to the heart of our parliamentary democracy. It would introduce the principle – elitist to the core – that the legitimacy of a political decision rests upon a judgment about the knowledge that informed it. And it would rely on a dirty plebiscitarianism as a way out of the political impasse in Westminster. Those arguing for a second referendum should be careful what they wish for. Chaos is rarely a harbinger of good outcomes.

• Chris Bickerton teaches politics at Cambridge University

https://www.theguardian.com/global/c...y-peoples-vote


Chris disagrees with you

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A second referendum would be a blow to the heart of our parliamentary democracy. It would introduce the principle – elitist to the core – that the legitimacy of a political decision rests upon a judgment about the knowledge that informed it. And it would rely on a dirty plebiscitarianism as a way out of the political impasse in Westminster. Those arguing for a second referendum should be careful what they wish for. Chaos is rarely a harbinger of good outcomes.

• Chris Bickerton teaches politics at Cambridge University

https://www.theguardian.com/global/c...y-peoples-vote


Chris disagrees with you

I agree with Chris.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Smithy

People voted for leave having no idea what it would entail, forecasts have shown that the UK will be worse off regardless of any deal, why should people be denied a vote now they know the facts?

The only people that don’t want a second referendum are leavers who are terrified that people have realized what a **** show this is and will vote to remain

Neither leave nor remain had any idea what was going on because it wasn't presented to us. But people with a brain looked into the likely impacts of no deal, they considered exports and imports, at least I did before I voted. And not just leavers, remainers too... but there are small pockets on both sides who think the other side are complete morons. I guess you're in that group.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Neither leave nor remain had any idea what was going on because it wasn't presented to us. But people with a brain looked into the likely impacts of no deal, they considered exports and imports, at least I did before I voted. And not just leavers, remainers too... but there are small pockets on both sides who think the other side are complete morons. I guess you're in that group.

People with a brain might have, a lot of people however were riled up with right wing nonsense and a bus saying 350million pound would go to the NHS. People who voted leave were lied to. Fact.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Smithy

People with a brain might have, a lot of people however were riled up with right wing nonsense and a bus saying 350million pound would go to the NHS. People who voted leave were lied to. Fact.

DO you think any one is lied to in general elections?

Do you remember Tony Blair?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Smithy

People with a brain might have, a lot of people however were riled up with right wing nonsense and a bus saying 350million pound would go to the NHS. People who voted leave were lied to. Fact.

I have faith in the wisdom of crowds, I don't subscribe to the thinking that anyone who wasn't of the same mind as me is an idiot. Nor am I impressed by right wing nonsense. Every time that bus appeared people were criticising it. I don't know anyone who was taken in by it. The truth is, remain lost the referendum. And that's it.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Smithy

People with a brain might have, a lot of people however were riled up with right wing nonsense and a bus saying 350million pound would go to the NHS. People who voted leave were lied to. Fact.

I'm sick of hearing about that bloody bus , it had zero to do with how i voted or anyone else i know , i've been waiting years for this vote and mine went back by return of post.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hard Brexit. The only people who want a second referendum are those who want to remain and those who couldn't be arsed to vote in the first referendum.

Democracy has spoken. We need to leave.

True. I see people who wanted a 'second referendum' to allow the people to have a say, only to now say they want Article 50 revoked realising that a second ref is highly unlikely now we have an actual deadline of May 22nd. So it shows all they ever really wanted was to try and win and remain anyway.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hard Brexit. The only people who want a second referendum are those who want to remain and those who couldn't be arsed to vote in the first referendum.

Democracy has spoken. We need to leave.

.

[Withano]

“Democracy has spoken” is such an odd thing to say when actively voting against democracy.

“Democracy has spoken so democracy must never speak again” ?? Odd.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Not true tbh.

Many leavers are looking at the mess and saying that they would now vote completely differently.

Anecdotal evidence is not useful here.

Originally Posted by Withano

“Democracy has spoken” is such an odd thing to say when actively voting against democracy.

“Democracy has spoken so democracy must never speak again” ?? Odd.

Remainers seem to have lost their grasp of what democracy means. It's not open to interpretation.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

Anecdotal evidence is not useful here.




Remainers seem to have lost their grasp of what democracy means. It's not open to interpretation.

That time we only ever had one election because Livia kicked up a fuss about the first one being democratic so the rest are not.