[parmnion]

I am utterly disgusted at the left using the memory of Jo Cox as scare tactics in a discussion about language used in parliament. .

When you stop and think, she died a few years ago and there is not a person alive that would still want her dead!..things have got even more stressed and divided in the few years since her tragic and very hurtful death...but nothing like that since in the UK.

The left are using her memory to attack the right, using her as an example of what can happen with certain words used in parliament...

[Oliver_W]

It is a bit tacky to invoke a woman's murder just because people are typing words on a screen. If someone like Katie Hopkins mentioned Jo Cox in reference to the online "abuse" she probably gets, she'd be rightly dragged across the coals.

[Twosugars]

Bojo has sunk even lower today.
What a ****ing disgrace he is

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Bojo has sunk even lower today.
What a ****ing disgrace he is

It's OK, he has a snorkel.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's OK, he has a snorkel.

love your humour Alf and that screeching woman who brought Jo Cox into the discussion was disgraceful

[arista]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Bojo has sunk even lower today.
What a ****ing disgrace he is

No that is him
he ain't going to change.

[bitontheslide]

i think censoring words such as surrender is absurd.

However, I do think all sides of the house need to dial down the temperature of arguments a lot. It is all their raging and shouting at each other that incites anger and violence. They are not setting a good example.

[Kizzy]

They are absolutely right, he knows full well what he's doing. The seeds of division he's sowing, its part of his people v parliament direction. Risking the safety and lives of the dissenting MPs by ramping up the pressure with these key phrases, to force them into the conciousness of the public via repetition and no doubt his friends in the media.

How many times did he repeat certain words? traitor, capitulation, surrender, treason?
This was not an error, it's a calculated strategy, we have seen the horrific outcome of someone incentivised to extreme violence by right wing rhetoric. The MPs are right never to let the name of Jo Cox fade! It's not getting any better, far from it, now the call to arms for right wing extremists comes from our own prime minister...

Many many members of parliament and their family are receiving abuse and death threats, they stood up and begged the PM to temper his language and his response was some nonsense word! I'm happy that the chair committed to dealing with the issue once the PM had scuttled from the chamber right before being challenged once more by Corbyn.

If we turn a blind eye to this I see more attacks on MPs and due to his attitude and language the PM will be directly responsible!

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They are absolutely right, he knows full well what he's doing. The seeds of division he's sowing, its part of his people v parliament direction. Risking the safety and lives of the dissenting MPs by ramping up the pressure with these key phrases, to force them into the conciousness of the public via repetition and no doubt his friends in the media.

How many times did he repeat certain words? traitor, capitulation, surrender, treason?
This was not an error, it's a calculated strategy, we have seen the horrific outcome of someone incentivised to extreme violence by right wing rhetoric. The MPs are right never to let the name of Jo Cox fade! It's not getting any better, far from it, now the call to arms for right wing extremists comes from our own prime minister...

Many many members of parliament and their family are receiving abuse and death threats, they stood up and begged the PM to temper his language and his response was some nonsense word! I'm happy that the chair committed to dealing with the issue once the PM had scuttled from the chamber right before being challenged once more by Corbyn.

If we turn a blind eye to this I see more attacks on MPs and due to his attitude and language the PM will be directly responsible!

in a democracy you are entitled express yourself however you see fit, and that applies particularly in the house of commons. If his speech is inciting hatred, then make him accountable for it. Use the laws that exist. Attempting to censor the use of certain common words is not the way to go about it, and it certainly isn't democracy

[Tom4784]

We live in a world where Right Wing extremists and incels are often planning attacks on politicians and, more often then not, it's female politicians in particular that are targetted.

Leaders must be smart in the terminology they use, when you look at recent shootings in the US, the common link between most of them is that most of these shooters idolised and adhered to Trump's 'philosophies' and the language he uses resonated with them. When a person in power calls people traitors for not doing what he wants them to, when he uses terms of war to make out that Brexit is a battle situation and not an parliamentary procedure, he is inspiring the crazies to take action.

When you downplay the emotions and fears of these MPs who have lost a colleague and know all too well how easily it could have been them, you're not defending the right wing, you're defending the extremists, you're downplaying what happened to Jo Cox and you're downplaying the very real threat of Right Wing terrorism because you see 'Right Wing' and you automatically jump to it's defense out of nothing more than tribalism.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

We live in a world where Right Wing extremists and incels are often planning attacks on politicians and, more often then not, it's female politicians in particular that are targetted.

Leaders must be smart in the terminology they use, when you look at recent shootings in the US, the common link between most of them is that most of these shooters idolised and adhered to Trump's 'philosophies' and the language he uses resonated with them. When a person in power calls people traitors for not doing what he wants them to, when he uses terms of war to make out that Brexit is a battle situation and not an parliamentary procedure, he is inspiring the crazies to take action.

When you downplay the emotions and fears of these MPs who have lost a colleague and know all too well how easily it could have been them, you're not defending the right wing, you're defending the extremists, you're downplaying what happened to Jo Cox and you're downplaying the very real threat of Right Wing terrorism because you see 'Right Wing' and you automatically jump to it's defense out of nothing more than tribalism.

Sure
Its easy to attack a Female MP
but keep dragging Jo Cox up
is wrong

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
Its easy to attack a Female MP
but keep dragging Jo Cox up
is wrong

It's only 'wrong' because it's highlighting that extreme words can lead to extreme actions and it's making your 'side' look bad.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's only 'wrong' because it's highlighting that extreme words can lead to extreme actions and it's making your 'side' look bad.

The Evil Punk that Murdered
that Labour Lady MP
is on his own.


He is Nothing to do with My Winning Side

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

The Evil Punk that Murdered
that Labour Lady MP
is on his own.


He is Nothing to do with My Winning Side

He took inspiration from your leave politicians

A product of their rhetoric

Your side owns him

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

We live in a world where Right Wing extremists and incels are often planning attacks on politicians and, more often then not, it's female politicians in particular that are targetted.

Leaders must be smart in the terminology they use, when you look at recent shootings in the US, the common link between most of them is that most of these shooters idolised and adhered to Trump's 'philosophies' and the language he uses resonated with them. When a person in power calls people traitors for not doing what he wants them to, when he uses terms of war to make out that Brexit is a battle situation and not an parliamentary procedure, he is inspiring the crazies to take action.

When you downplay the emotions and fears of these MPs who have lost a colleague and know all too well how easily it could have been them, you're not defending the right wing, you're defending the extremists, you're downplaying what happened to Jo Cox and you're downplaying the very real threat of Right Wing terrorism because you see 'Right Wing' and you automatically jump to it's defense out of nothing more than tribalism.

Absolutely this post is one of your very best.

It's sad posts like it are needed.

Johnson and others fuel some of the worst divisions there are in the Country.

The PMs repeated use of inflammatory terms all through is just playing to the truly awful hard-line extremists in the Con party.
Particularly the Con membership.

Many Conservative voters will not agree or support his use of wording.

After the murder, brutal murder of an unarmed woman doing her job.
I found Con voters devastated by it wanting to support Labour activists and Labour voters.
That murder should always be in the minds of anyone making public speeches.
To moderate terminology used, to try to help ensure it never happens again.

Sadly I fear it will and with this PM who, when someone points out the possible dangers MPs face.
Dismisses the points raised using a statement, he'd never heard such humbug.
Shocking.

All Parties have MPs who are getting some awful threats made against them and their families and even their children.

The disgraceful man who targeted Rees-Moggs children publicly.
Absolutely disgraceful.

It is the case, most threats are from faceless individuals hiding behind anonymity.
Some are happy to be really acidic verbally with idle threats.

Then there is the extremists, who are so unstable they will act on the threats they make.
Or worse, who just act without warning.

Such as with Jo Cox.

Terminology being used to fuel the already tense divisions that exist is of a danger level that should be unacceptable.
Johnson and Farage are the main instigators of fuelling divisions.

Then we get the real extremists who act, thinking a licence has been given them to.

Johnson was a disgrace as a PM in the exchanges yesterday.

Sadly, MPs are rarely seen in a good light but some have never been more possibly in danger of harm or death even, as they are now.

Any major figures, not just in politics, speaking publicly need to be made to set out to not incite division and hate but to work to eradicate it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I am utterly disgusted at the left using the memory of Jo Cox as scare tactics in a discussion about language used in parliament. .

When you stop and think, she died a few years ago and there is not a person alive that would still want her dead!..things have got even more stressed and divided in the few years since her tragic and very hurtful death...but nothing like that since in the UK.

The left are using her memory to attack the right, using her as an example of what can happen with certain words used in parliament...

Yes Labour are Struggling
and the Indie Party Women ex Conservative.

[MB.]

The point wasn't specifically about whether or not anyone would still want to harm Jo Cox, it was about the Prime Minister using much of the same language as Jo Cox's killer used ("traitor" especially) with seemingly little regard for how this may impact on the death threats that female MPs from across the political spectrum have been getting ever since Jo's murder

[arista]

One Labour MP used "Traitor"

But that was not used by this PM
that was Newspapers

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

One Labour MP used "Traitor"

But that was not used by this PM
that was Newspapers

'Other female MPs, including Paula Sherriff, attacked the prime minister for repeatedly calling the act put through parliament by Hilary Benn to take no-deal Brexit off the table the “surrender bill”.

She said: “The prime minister has continually used pejorative language to describe an act of parliament passed by this house. We should not resort to using offensive, dangerous, inflammatory language for legislation we do not like.”

Recalling the memory of her friend Cox, she said many MPs had received death threats.

And let me tell the prime minister – they often quote his words, ‘surrender act’, ‘betrayal,’ ‘traitor’: we must moderate our language and it has to come from the prime minister first.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...-on-the-attack

[bitontheslide]

we have had words like traitor and surrender in our vocabulary for centuries. One deranged man uses those words and they should never be used again? That's what people are basically saying. It's the height of stupidity.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

we have had words like traitor and surrender in our vocabulary for centuries. One deranged man uses those words and they should never be used again? That's what people are basically saying. It's the height of stupidity.

The height of stupidity for me is accepting the prime minister if your county is deranged, but not being overly concerned by it.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They are absolutely right, he knows full well what he's doing. The seeds of division he's sowing, its part of his people v parliament direction. Risking the safety and lives of the dissenting MPs by ramping up the pressure with these key phrases, to force them into the conciousness of the public via repetition and no doubt his friends in the media.

How many times did he repeat certain words? traitor, capitulation, surrender, treason?
This was not an error, it's a calculated strategy, we have seen the horrific outcome of someone incentivised to extreme violence by right wing rhetoric. The MPs are right never to let the name of Jo Cox fade! It's not getting any better, far from it, now the call to arms for right wing extremists comes from our own prime minister...

Many many members of parliament and their family are receiving abuse and death threats, they stood up and begged the PM to temper his language and his response was some nonsense word! I'm happy that the chair committed to dealing with the issue once the PM had scuttled from the chamber right before being challenged once more by Corbyn.

If we turn a blind eye to this I see more attacks on MPs and due to his attitude and language the PM will be directly responsible!

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

we have had words like traitor and surrender in our vocabulary for centuries. One deranged man uses those words and they should never be used again? That's what people are basically saying. It's the height of stupidity.

Yet many of those shouting the loudest remain silent when a beheaded Boris is paraded across the papers.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yet many of those shouting the loudest remain silent when a beheaded Boris is paraded across the papers.

Are you suggesting I would be happy with this?... is this how your mind has twisted my words?.. Sorry that is beyond feeble.
You correlated what i said to mean i dont want them dead, so I must want him dead?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'Other female MPs, including Paula Sherriff, attacked the prime minister for repeatedly calling the act put through parliament by Hilary Benn to take no-deal Brexit off the table the “surrender bill”.

She said: “The prime minister has continually used pejorative language to describe an act of parliament passed by this house. We should not resort to using offensive, dangerous, inflammatory language for legislation we do not like.”

Recalling the memory of her friend Cox, she said many MPs had received death threats.

And let me tell the prime minister – they often quote his words, ‘surrender act’, ‘betrayal,’ ‘traitor’: we must moderate our language and it has to come from the prime minister first.”

No Kizzy We Must have a General Election
to clear the decks.

Both Sides of Parliament are Getting Death Threats

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

No Kizzy We Must have a General Election
to clear the decks.

Both Sides of Parliament are Getting Death Threats

Are they.. Did I miss that? who on the consevasive benches stated they had recieved death threats?

AFTER no deal is off the table... then that's when the consensus in the commons want an election.