[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well rather than take tibb at its word or opinion I've asked my black friend bobby all about it.


He says definatly racist and he would kick me out his party if I came with make up on ...he still likes me though

[Marsh.]

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No? Someone said that white people have never been slaves, which is nonsense.

As white people have been slaves, that puts us on even footing, so whiting up and blacking up are the same.

Puts us on even footing?

If I didn't know you were serious I might laugh.

[Livia]

What's the point.

[Marsh.]

I assume you're asking me?

If so, could you elaborate?

[Nicky91]

666 was the views count when i looked at SD just now

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I assume you're asking me?

If so, could you elaborate?

Sorry Marshy, I wasn't referring to you at all. Just in general.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Puts us on even footing?

If I didn't know you were serious I might laugh.

Virtually all races have both been slaves and held slaves. No-one alive today has anything whatsoever to do with the historic slave trade, so everyone's hands are clean.

[Milja.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Well rather than take tibb at its word or opinion I've asked my black friend bobby all about it.


He says definatly racist and he would kick me out his party if I came with make up on ...he still likes me though

We Stan Bobby The Educator

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Virtually all races have both been slaves and held slaves. No-one alive today has anything whatsoever to do with the historic slave trade, so everyone's hands are clean.

It's not about whose hands are or aren't clean FFS, no one is asking you personally to feel guilty about historic slavery so stop lashing out defensively, it's nonsense

It's about the very obvious an real ongoing effect that black slavery has had and is still having and I honestly, honestly hope that your insistence that white and black people are "on an even footing" (just... what) when it comes to the effects of slavery and social inequality, and that "blacking up" has no more of a negative implication than (fictional) "whiting up" is purely down to naivety and nothing more sinister. I say that because 15 years ago I might have been caught saying something similar but I'm going to be blunt here and say that these sorts of opinions come from a place of inexperience and arrogance. But they are toxic. I hope you give it some real thought, eventually.

[Toy Soldier]

I can fully accept that, as with all things, there is always room for nuance BUT some of the attempts at justification on this thread are actually mind-blowing.

[Ammi]

...the blacking of faces by minstrel performers was only ever done to mock and ridicule and depict in a negative way ...I don’t think there was ever a time when it wasn’t insulting or degrading...why would anyone want to blackface and insult and degrade someone or mock them ...for the fun of it..

[Mystic Mock]

For me personally I don't mind racist humour, I've watched loads of Family Guy episodes for example that mock racist people whilst also doing stereotypes on black people. I've even seen the show make out like all British people look like Tony Blair and I find it funny rather than offensive.

However the problem with the Minstrel shows by the sounds of them is that they were done to be malicious towards black people, rather than inviting them into the joke like shows like Family Guy, American Dad, and South Park can do.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

I don’t think there was ever a time when it wasn’t insulting or degrading...

Of course there was Ammi - when music fans blacked up as Bob Marley for fancy dress parties inside the imaginations of TiBB members.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Of course there was Ammi - when music fans blacked up as Bob Marley for fancy dress parties inside the imaginations of TiBB members.

Are you telling me it's all in my mind and that you havnt ever seen someone with make up on doing bob marley.

[Beso]

I don't see why being allowed to wear a wig is any different...you are clearly depicting a black guy when you are a white guy!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Virtually all races have both been slaves and held slaves. No-one alive today has anything whatsoever to do with the historic slave trade, so everyone's hands are clean.

Your attempts at normalising racism are absolutely staggering. Probably for the attention.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Your attempts at normalising racism are absolutely staggering. Probably for the attention.

I'm not trying to nornalise anything.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Are you telling me it's all in my mind and that you havnt ever seen someone with make up on doing bob marley.

I've seen plenty of people blacked up as various people for fancy dress and every single time it was for a cheap laugh / bit of attention through being "hehe controversial!" and nothing to do with liking or admiring the person they were dressed up as. Show me someone who claims to have blacked up as a celebrity as a mark of respect for that celebrity, and I'll show you an idiot or a liar.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've seen plenty of people blacked up as various people for fancy dress and every single time it was for a cheap laugh / bit of attention through being "hehe controversial!" and nothing to do with liking or admiring the person they were dressed up as. Show me someone who claims to have blacked up as a celebrity as a mark of respect for that celebrity, and I'll show you an idiot or a liar.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've seen plenty of people blacked up as various people for fancy dress and every single time it was for a cheap laugh / bit of attention through being "hehe controversial!" and nothing to do with liking or admiring the person they were dressed up as. Show me someone who claims to have blacked up as a celebrity as a mark of respect for that celebrity, and I'll show you an idiot or a liar.

I don't know anyone that's claimed to black up...I know plenty who have or would pop a bit make up on to complete the look of thier musical icon though.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

For me personally I don't mind racist humour, I've watched loads of Family Guy episodes for example that mock racist people whilst also doing stereotypes on black people. I've even seen the show make out like all British people look like Tony Blair and I find it funny rather than offensive.

However the problem with the Minstrel shows by the sounds of them is that they were done to be malicious towards black people, rather than inviting them into the joke like shows like Family Guy, American Dad, and South Park can do.

A joke that all British people look like Tony Blair isn't racism.

[armand.kay]

I've never seen a black person whiten up their skin for a costume (as a white person) outside of 90s/00s comedy sketches

[armand.kay]

and I say that as a nick gurr

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Livia

So I'm taking it that "Jewing up" is perfectly fine.... Good to know.

it's not.