[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Funny how you don't ever have this opinion on Harry and Meghan when they preach lifestyle to everyone as they sit in their millionaire pad...and Harry tells us to leave our jobs if we are unhappy...

Obviously the Royals dont know what its like to walk in their shoes but they visit and try to understand the devastation and see it with their own eyes...unfortunately your own eyes are not allowing you to see that.

The fact that they go and see it with their own eyes and choose - yes, choose - to remain a part of the hyper-privileged and wealthy global elite and ride around in gold-adorned horse drawn carriages makes me dislike them all the more, not less. Imagine travelling the world and seeing real poverty, and then flying back to your literal palace and not entering deep existential crisis.

But they don't because they believe about themselves the same things that you believe about them;

That they're better, and deserve better, because they have superior blood.

It's gross as **** and the more I think about it the worse it gets.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The fact that they go and see it with their own eyes and choose - yes, choose - to remain a part of the hyper-privileged and wealthy global elite and ride around in gold-adorned horse drawn carriages makes me dislike them all the more, not less. Imagine travelling the world and seeing real poverty, and then flying back to your literal palace and not entering deep existential crisis.

But they don't because they believe about themselves the same things that you believe about them;

That they're better, and deserve better, because they have superior blood.

It's gross as **** and the more I think about it the worse it gets.

Says he who defends Harry and Meghan to the hilt...

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Says he who defends Harry and Meghan to the hilt...

That isn't even true, I pointed out Harry's privilege quite openly with the whole "people should leave jobs they're not happy in" thing. I agreed with him that people shouldn't just stick with their lot, but that it's not as simple as he made out and most normal people need to seek an alternative that pays the same or better and can't simply walk away.

Harry and Meghan at least, though, are just what they are - plain old celebrities. Yes with all of the wealth and privilege that can come with that. THe same privilege that people like Oprah and The Rock have. Like I said they're all the same - just celebrities.

The difference is - AGAIN - that they're not pretending to be something better than that, and they don't have a legion of people insisting the same thing. The Royal Family are just celebrities no better than any of the others mentioned. No better or different at all. It's a fairytale, an illusion.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Harry and Meghan at least, though, are just what they are - plain old celebrities. Yes with all of the wealth and privilege that can come with that. THe same privilege that people like Oprah and The Rock have. Like I said they're all the same - just celebrities.

While they present themselves as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and their children as Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet, (which they insisted upon) they don’t see themselves as just plain old celebrities and they have, and do, expect to be treated differently to those plain old celebs.
Otherwise they would be just plain old Harry and Meghan Windsor.

They wanted to be half in, half out; the status without the hard dreary work. They very much wanted to still be part of the Royal family. The Queen said you are either in or out and they have been trying to get their revenge ever since.
You can't abhor Royalty and support the titled, also privileged, lazy ones who rarely do darn all good for anybody.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by jet

While they present themselves as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and their children as Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet, (which they insisted upon) they don’t see themselves as just plain old celebrities and they have, and do, expect to be treated differently to those plain old celebs.
Otherwise they would be just plain old Harry and Meghan Windsor.

They wanted to be half in, half out; the status without the hard dreary work. They very much wanted to still be part of the Royal family. The Queen said you are either in or out and they have been trying to get their revenge ever since.
You can't abhor Royalty and support the titled, also privileged, lazy ones who rarely do darn all good for anybody.

See now this, is a strawman argument:

I didn't mention Harry and Meghan in this thread or bring them into it to support them or otherwise, I didn't say they "do good charity", and I didn't say they aren't privileged, nor did I say that The Rock or Oprah aren't also privileged and very wealthy.

I drew a direct comparison between the active Royals and the Hollywood celebs mentioned in this thread to point out that they are the same, and to counter people criticising those celebs for charity work whilst lauding The Royals for their charity work. As I've said - it's the least that any of them can do, and if one wants to criticise wealth, privilege and supposed status, charitable appeals are not really an ideal place to start.

But instead of arguing against the idea that The Royals are inherently different to Hollywood celebrities in any meaningful way, multiple people have attempted to "defend the Royals" by bringing Harry and Meghan (the strawman, here) into it . No one was talking about Harry and Meghan! I didn't say anything about them at all, supportive or otherwise!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

See now this, is a strawman argument:

I didn't mention Harry and Meghan in this thread or bring them into it to support them or otherwise, I didn't say they "do good charity", and I didn't say they aren't privileged, nor did I say that The Rock or Oprah aren't also privileged and very wealthy.

I drew a direct comparison between the active Royals and the Hollywood celebs mentioned in this thread to point out that they are the same, and to counter people criticising those celebs for charity work whilst lauding The Royals for their charity work. As I've said - it's the least that any of them can do, and if one wants to criticise wealth, privilege and supposed status, charitable appeals are not really an ideal place to start.

But instead of arguing against the idea that The Royals are inherently different to Hollywood celebrities in any meaningful way, multiple people have attempted to "defend the Royals" by bringing Harry and Meghan (the strawman, here) into it . No one was talking about Harry and Meghan! I didn't say anything about them at all, supportive or otherwise!

I don’t know or care who brought Meghan and Harry into it, I was referring to what you said in that particular paragraph about seeing them as just plain old celebrities. But you diverted by changing the subject.