[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

No it won't - it will be talked out of time, and rightly so.

Besides it is not needed as there are already adequate laws to deal with this. We do not need to waste parliamentary time to create a new law that can send people to prison when we have quite enough laws on the statute book thank you very much!!!

Such people as this MP are a welcome check and balance system when people all start jumping on bandwagons needlessly. Anyone remember the fiasco of the Dangerous Dogs Act?

There is a 100% solution to preventing so called upskirting, wear trousers, it's not rocket science.

Oh and before you ask, I have absolutely no interest in looking up any skirt whatsoever

[LeatherTrumpet]

A specific law against upskirting already exists in Scotland.

[Matthew.]

anyway your opinion is outdated and doesn’t belong in this society

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

anyway your opinion is outdated and doesn’t belong in this society

My opinion is as good as yours

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

My opinion is as good as yours

not you

[arista]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

anyway your opinion is outdated and doesn’t belong in this society

UPDATE
https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-s...rting-11407685


The MP Now Supports a Law Against Upskirting

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by arista

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-s...rting-11407685

I suspect when it comes back to the Commons on 06 July it will be talked out and permanently killed off.

In spite of what the PM says, the government will never take it up as they have more important matters such as Brexit to deal with

There will be no laws against upskirting in England and Wales, ever

But then there is no need for it, the police can just use existing public order offences and as I have discussed, women if they are concerned about falling victim to this odious activity can be proactive against this by wearing trousers, as most women I observe do anyway.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A specific law against upskirting already exists in Scotland.

Yes
Well Done Scotland.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I suspect when it comes back to the Commons on 06 July it will be talked out and permanently killed off.

In spite of what the PM says, the government will never take it up as they have more important matters such as Brexit to deal with

There will be no laws against upskirting in England and Wales, ever

But then there is no need for it, the police can just use existing public order offences and as I have discussed, women if they are concerned about falling victim to this odious activity can be proactive against this by wearing trousers, as most women I observe do anyway.

What if its like 90 degree in the shade, you cant expect them to have to wear trousers in that stifling heat.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

That is close to libel, I have no wish to engage in such an obnoxious activity. Do not ascribe to me motives you think I have for not jumping on a favoured bandwagon and putting forward an alternative viewpoint.

This is tantamount to mud slinging, which is never appropriate in a debate.

I'm simply trying to make sense of why you're so against something that will never affect you.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I suspect when it comes back to the Commons on 06 July it will be talked out and permanently killed off.

In spite of what the PM says, the government will never take it up as they have more important matters such as Brexit to deal with

There will be no laws against upskirting in England and Wales, ever

But then there is no need for it, the police can just use existing public order offences and as I have discussed, women if they are concerned about falling victim to this odious activity can be proactive against this by wearing trousers, as most women I observe do anyway.

Sticks 6th of July
does no matter now
since yesterday recorded interview
of the PM May on BBC1HD Marr
she will bring in a law , herself.

You must record Marr, in the future
so you are more up to date.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What if its like 90 degree in the shade, you cant expect them to have to wear trousers in that stifling heat.

Then men have that issue as well, and like some men, the solution is short trousers, as I have also observed.

Problem solved...

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by arista

Sticks 6th of July
does no matter now
since yesterday recorded interview
of the PM May on BBC1HD Marr
she will bring in a law , herself.

You must record Marr, in the future
so you are more up to date.

So did she say when she would find parliamentary time for this amidst the more important Brexit legislation?

No point in recording Marr, as I would not have the time to watch the recordings

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I'm simply trying to make sense of why you're so against something that will never affect you.

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Sticks

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

Just because Brexit is happening doesn't mean the rest of the world goes on hold.

Time moves on, there are other important things at stake like our education system, NHS and transport.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Sticks

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

that's just utter rubbish quite frankly

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What if its like 90 degree in the shade, you cant expect them to have to wear trousers in that stifling heat.

true, why wear something where you most likely sweat in, in the summer heat

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Sticks

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

If it was voted on, isn't the bill essentially already written? I don't how parliament differs from here, but seems like if it just passing hands, then would be fine to vote through.

Without a penalty, there is no deterrent, so eventually it will have to be made into law. That ties up the hands of law enforcement. I imagine there is money to be made for folk who get these pictures as well...

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Then men have that issue as well, and like some men, the solution is short trousers, as I have also observed.

Problem solved...

I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious. People should be able to wear whatevever they want without fear of being sexually harassed

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

So did she say when she would find parliamentary time for this amidst the more important Brexit legislation?

No point in recording Marr, as I would not have the time to watch the recordings

Yes she fit it in.

Sticks if you have no time to catch Important breaking news
you are not up to scratch.
Why not have SkyNewsHD You Tube on
with Full HD 1080P.
Better for your eyes.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious. People should be able to wear whatevever they want without fear of being sexually harassed

drag him

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

We are in the midst of the greatest constitutional change, Brexit, these private members bills take up valuable parliamentary time needed for the Brexit legislation. Brexit is due on 29 March 2019, so time is of the essence.

Yes 11PM

I agree, Sticks
but this one particular Upskirting Law
is a Vote Winner
for the PM.
Thats why that MP Sir Christopher Chope
has now said he Supports a NEW LAW against it.


You only got updated
by me, with respect
as you appear to blank Live Feed News?



FREE 1080P Live UK news
https://news.sky.com/watch-live

[Sticks]

I prefer the BBC News feed rather than Murdock's empire

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

I prefer the BBC News feed rather than Murdock's empire

It will soon not be Murdochs

Comcast or Disney
will be in charge of UK SkyNews


BBC NEWS Live is good enough , also FREE
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcnews

add subtitles
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/10318089/bbc-news-channel

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious. People should be able to wear whatevever they want without fear of being sexually harassed

parmnion asked a question, forgetting that men also wear trousers, so the problem raised also applies to men. I provided an answer to her question. In summer, some men, notably postmen where short trousers.

I have also observed that some women also wear short trousers.

If we lived in an idealised utopian paradise where all men respected women and did not do such uncouth and despicable acts, then there would be no problems. Unfortunately we live in the real world, and some men are thoroughly reprobate and pariahs.

Given that is it not prudent to take precautions?

Here is a question for our female members here, do you go out at night after dark, as is your right to? Do you take precautions like keeping to well lit public areas, not going out alone, taking some defensive weapon like pepper spray or an assault alarm? How many of you have done some form of self defence class or training?

In the idealised utopian paradise, you should not need to, but we live in the real world so many do take such precautions and possibly others that I have missed off the list.

Some of the precautions I have listed are possibly some that might be given out by a crime prevention officer, giving advice, so what is the difference in giving advice on how to avoid being upskirted in the absence of any legislation?