[Tony Montana]

The Two Main Ringleaders in the Shahbaz Bullying Saga. Richard for me for a Number of Reasons.

1.He was Jealous of the Fact there was someone more camp than him.

2. He was Extremely Manipulative and Sneaky and Managed to get most of the House to turn against him.

3. He Taunted Him a Few Times. E.G. Telling everyone to Call him ''Miss Crawford''.

4. Lying and Twisting other Peoples words to use against Him. E.G. Telling Shahbaz that his Behavior was Upsetting Dawn, Even Though Dawn was Upset because she felt that Shahbaz was being Ganged up on.

[parmnion]

Lisa

[Epic.]

Sezer for a number of reasons

1. He was jealous that someone was there to challenge his herd mentality.

2. He was extremely manipulative and sneaky and managed to get most of the house to turn against him; far more than Richard since Sezer was popular in the house for some reason

3. He taunted him a few times e.g telling him he's worth **** all and that he eats people like Shahbaz or something along those lines

4. Did far worse actions than Richard: locking him out with a belt,throwing his food away and stealing his clothes are the worst things I've seen done by someone in civilian BB.

Not that I'm defending Richard, but his behaviour to Shahbaz was more schoolyard bullying whereas Sezer was actively trying to demean and ostracise the poor mess. One of the most disgusting people cast on the show.

[Lostie!]

Honestly I think it was pretty equal. No real surprise they ended up hating each other, two vicious bullies who want to be the alpha of the house.

[Daniel.]

Richard

[Vicky.]

I think pretty much the whole house were equal in their treatment of him tbh, from what i remember of the series. I don't remember too much though besides feeling really really sorry for him, plus Nikki saying something about putting his clothes in the pool or something because that will hurt him more with a sneer. Its just the 'that will hurt him more' part thats crystal clear in my mind..

[Alf]

Shahbaz was no victim, why make him into one?

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Alf

Shahbaz was no victim, why make him into one?

Because what they Did to Him was Far worse than what he Did to them or Would've done.

[Vicky.]

Of course he was a victim! I know he did appear to bring a lot of it on himself purposely, but the treatment of him was just disgusting tbh.

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Shahbaz was no victim, why make him into one?

No matter how annoying someone is to live with you DON'T ostracise, isolate, or gang up on them under any circumstance, especially when the worst he did was act theatrical all the time

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course he was a victim! I know he did appear to bring a lot of it on himself purposely, but the treatment of him was just disgusting tbh.

So you can be a total arse to people and when they give it back, you become the victim and they the bad person?

I can't even remember what happened, but I do remember him being an irratating git, and him hiding all the house food in the garden.

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Alf

So you can be a total arse to people and when they give it back, you become the victim and they the bad person?

They weren't being "a total arse" to him. Never once did Shahbaz steal and hide people's clothes or demean and insult people unless it happened to him. He was emotionally unstable and an easy target to the vile bullies end of story

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Alf

So you can be a total arse to people and when they give it back, you become the victim and they the bad person?

I wouldn't say it like that tbh, yes he was seriously annoying and was trying to wind people up, however I think the way they reacted..gang mentality and that...was just so uncomfortable to watch.

I can't even remember what happened, but I do remember him being an irratating git, and him hiding all the house food in the garden.

Yup, I remember that.

I actually have a DVD of BB7 that a member made for me ages ago, might rewatch it sometime

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Epic.

They weren't being "a total arse" to him. Never once did Shahbaz steal and hide people's clothes or demean and insult people unless it happened to him. He was emotionally unstable and an easy target to the vile bullies end of story

Is that like telling me to shut up?

You're now bullying me and I'm now the victim.