[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

And to you that's enough to doubt everything she lived? Pretty sure the investigators and the court knew better when they made their decision...which is again not up to our opinions (whether we trust her or not)
If what happened to her is indeed real, then I feel bad for her because people keep mocking and doubting. That's all I said. Let the girl live.

There are probably many many innocent people in jail. Is it not worth having a conversation about? Especially since given if she is lying it sets an awful precedent where you can make up the most barbaric **** to get attention from the press, possibly at the expense of others. For what it’s worth, I believe her. But chuff posting on this forum that she’s lying isn’t gonna personally hurt her is it?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Josy

Stop discussing other members, housemates are fair game members are not.

Thank you josy.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Elliot

There are probably many many innocent people in jail. Is it not worth having a conversation about? Especially since given if she is lying it sets an awful precedent where you can make up the most barbaric **** to get attention from the press. For what it’s worth, I believe her. But chuff posting on this forum that she’s lying isn’t gonna personally hurt her is it?

All Ive posted is what Ive got from her mouth ,and links to some of the many, many the interviews shes done where its her words, not mine

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Josy

Stop discussing other members, housemates are fair game members are not.

Thanks Josy!

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

Some of you are unreal. You are calling Natalie a bully and here you are out here calling a young girl so many horrible names.
Justice was given whether you like or not, and it's not up to your opinion anymore. You are all acting like you know her personally or KNOW everything about it, like you are better than policemen and justice. Just stop, this is embarassing.

A man is in prison for 16 years, so I think people are entitled to question her behaviour

In particular her going shopping with her captor

I would also question her 'agent' as he sent her to an address in Milan, for a photo shoot???
2 things wrong with that

This girl has never had a photo shoot in her life, certainly not a professional one, which is obvious just by the way she dresses and her make up, which wouldnt pass muster in an Amsterdam *****house

What kind of agent sends one of their models to a private flat in a foreign country, when he says that he had no idea who would be there when she got there ??

This was a con, whether she was complicit or not, a man is now doing 16 years so that Choe can go on CBB and have a career (not that she will) but that seems to have been the idea

The second thing wrong with all of this is that after being kidnapped, one would think that the last place you would want to be, is locked up again, regardless of who you were with

I do not believe a word of it, and I think if the Polish guy who is doing time, had been more educated, he wouldnt be where he is now, Chloe and her agent would

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

I did, and I'm not in any position above a judge to decide. Case is officially closed when it comes to what she lived and shouldn't be judged on it. She's there to be judged as a housemate, not whether you approve of a legal decision or not.
I can understand her frustration of being doubted all the time.

"I can understand her frustration at being doubted all the time"

Did you actually just say that lol

If she is so frustrated at being doubted all the time, why the f..k is she on CBB???

F.cking ridiculous argument

[thisisdanny]

She's clearly vulnerable, which is why she's the "baby" idk I don't think she's lying though

Don't attack me for believing her, everyone is entitled to their opinion

[odd sock]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

A man is in prison for 16 years, so I think people are entitled to question her behaviour

In particular her going shopping with her captor

I would also question her 'agent' as he sent her to an address in Milan, for a photo shoot???
2 things wrong with that

This girl has never had a photo shoot in her life, certainly not a professional one, which is obvious just by the way she dresses and her make up, which wouldnt pass muster in an Amsterdam *****house

What kind of agent sends one of their models to a private flat in a foreign country, when he says that he had no idea who would be there when she got there ??

This was a con, whether she was complicit or not, a man is now doing 16 years so that Choe can go on CBB and have a career (not that she will) but that seems to have been the idea

The second thing wrong with all of this is that after being kidnapped, one would think that the last place you would want to be, is locked up again, regardless of who you were with

I do not believe a word of it, and I think if the Polish guy who is doing time, had been more educated, he wouldnt be where he is now, Chloe and her agent would

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

A man is in prison for 16 years, so I think people are entitled to question her behaviour

In particular her going shopping with her captor

I would also question her 'agent' as he sent her to an address in Milan, for a photo shoot???
2 things wrong with that

This girl has never had a photo shoot in her life, certainly not a professional one, which is obvious just by the way she dresses and her make up, which wouldnt pass muster in an Amsterdam *****house

What kind of agent sends one of their models to a private flat in a foreign country, when he says that he had no idea who would be there when she got there ??

This was a con, whether she was complicit or not, a man is now doing 16 years so that Choe can go on CBB and have a career (not that she will) but that seems to have been the idea

The second thing wrong with all of this is that after being kidnapped, one would think that the last place you would want to be, is locked up again, regardless of who you were with

I do not believe a word of it, and I think if the Polish guy who is doing time, had been more educated, he wouldnt be where he is now, Chloe and her agent would

IMO the Polish man and Chloe worked this together,Im sure there will be a few £$ waiting for him on his release ,Lets be honest would you walk hand in hand with your kidnapper laughing and joking ? then the following day forget to tell the police you had done it? She's since sacked her agent, lets hope he speaks out

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by thisisdanny

She's clearly vulnerable, which is why she's the "baby" idk I don't think she's lying though

Don't attack me for believing her, everyone is entitled to their opinion

She's far from vulnerable, have you seen her interviews ? even the people interviewing her have commented how cool and laid back she appears

[BB4fan]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

Some of you are unreal. You are calling Natalie a bully and here you are out here calling a young girl so many horrible names.
Justice was given whether you like or not, and it's not up to your opinion anymore. You are all acting like you know her personally or KNOW everything about it, like you are better than policemen and justice. Just stop, this is embarassing.

"a young girl"..??? She's a grown adult and will be criticized like the rest of them.

[Tom4784]

The court, who had all the evidence and heard all the facts, ruled that she was kidnapped and that her kidnapper guilty of that crime.

To call her a liar is to ignore the facts.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The court, who had all the evidence and heard all the facts, ruled that she was kidnapped and that her kidnapper guilty of that crime.

To call her a liar is to ignore the facts.

The court heard one side as she refused to go to court to be questioned on oath in the dock

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by thisisdanny

She's clearly vulnerable, which is why she's the "baby" idk I don't think she's lying though

Don't attack me for believing her, everyone is entitled to their opinion

I am not attacking anyone for what they believe, but I am surely allowed to suggest that you a lot of people are being very gullible

I do actually feel sorry for her, but I feel sorry for her because I think she is shockingly stupid and I wonder what kind of parents ever let that out of the front door

[montblanc]

here we go

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The court, who had all the evidence and heard all the facts, ruled that she was kidnapped and that her kidnapper guilty of that crime.

To call her a liar is to ignore the facts.

As she wouldnt even go to the court to testify, a jury never had the chance to see her reactions to questions

And the fact that the court sentenced this man without her attending says more about the lack of Justice in Italy than anything else

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

The court heard one side as she refused to go to court to be questioned on oath in the dock

And how do you explain away all the evidence?

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And how do you explain away all the evidence?

which evidence are you referring to?

list it here and we will answer eeach point for you

it could be educational for those of you who havent read the court transcript

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

As she wouldnt even go to the court to testify, a jury never had the chance to see her reactions to questions

And the fact that the court sentenced this man without her attending says more about the lack of Justice in Italy than anything else

Again, as I said to Chuff, how do you explain away the evidence that convicted him of his crimes?

So far I've seen you blame the victim, I've seen you blame Italy's justice system yet not one slight bit of condemnation for the kidnapper that comitted this crime.

As I've said a lot on this forum lately, it's always the woman's fault, isn't it?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And how do you explain away all the evidence?

What evidence ? you have her word and nothing else, her word that she refused to be allowed to be questioned in the dock ... She claimed to have been drugged with Ketamine but was able to remove the gag around her mouth and open a hole in the bags zipper within minutes ?
She also knew her "kidnapper" before the event as she had met him at a photo shoot in Paris

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

The court heard one side as she refused to go to court to be questioned on oath in the dock

And yet her kidnappers were STILL convicted. What does that tell you?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And yet her kidnappers were STILL convicted. What does that tell you?

As has been said before there are a lot of innocent people in jails

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

As has been said before there are a lot of innocent people in jails

... and there are a lot of guilty people in jails.

"Innocent people sometimes get jailed" is not proof of anything.

You said there's no evidence. People don't get sent to jail on no evidence.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

... and there are a lot of guilty people in jails.

"Innocent people sometimes get jailed" is not proof of anything.

You said there's no evidence. People don't get sent to jail on no evidence.

My hope is he appeals and she is made to go to court

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, as I said to Chuff, how do you explain away the evidence that convicted him of his crimes?

So far I've seen you blame the victim, I've seen you blame Italy's justice system yet not one slight bit of condemnation for the kidnapper that comitted this crime.

As I've said a lot on this forum lately, it's always the woman's fault, isn't it?

FFSake take off the victimhood

I am a woman, and always have been, does that mean I cant blame women for anything??

Thats idiotic

I think women have got a bit above themselves with this whole #metoo ****

In fact one of the main characters from that whole f.cking ****storm, Asia Argento, who accused Harvey Weinstein of raping her (even after admitting to a 4 years relationship with him AFTER the rape was meant to have happened) has paid off a 17 year old boy, whom she raped when he was 17 and she was 37 years old

Now I know it doesnt have a lot to do with Chloe, but women who act like professional victims really f..k me off

One minute you want to be equal, then more than equal, then every man is a rapist, or kidnapper, or wife beater, or controlling

In all the above cases, including Chloe's THERE WAS A ****ING DOOR, BUT USING IT WOULD HAVE PUT YOU OUT OF WORK, WHETHER YOU ARE A WH.RE AN ACTRESS OR A SUPPOSED KIDNAPPEE