[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So when that teacher was accused of sleeping with a pupil and there's evidence of a lot of out-of-school communication, and a specific time and place they had sex, and the fact she thought of him as a friend and shared a lot of personal information, you err on the side of caution; but Ms Ford says "I think he raped me, but I don't know where or when" at a rather convenient time, you think he should he shouldn't be able to take the position?

Interesting.

Nowhere have I said that teacher should ever be allowed to work with children again. I said that we can't assume she's an evil predator, as some people were calling her, till all the facts are known.

Brett Kavanaugh should be allowed to continue with his life... but no way should be he allowed to be involved in making the law of the land.

Oh and... it isn't Ms Ford. It's Dr Ford.

[Nicky91]

Youtube video

this was also on the daily show, it is true what they said on there about Chuck Grassley, he tried to not come over sexist, but completely backfired on him and did the opposite

[arista]

Yes Today they Vote
on Kavanaugh
so far expected to get the job.

[Liam-]

He’ll be confirmed and nobody will be shocked, republicans have a reputation of not caring about someone’s character as long as it suits their political purpose, it’ll be a sad day for America

[Livia]

How right you are, Liam.

[arista]

He Just got approved
just got the job.

live all media

https://news.sky.com/story/live-arre...roved-11519665

[Maru]

I'm relieved. It would have set a very bad precedent, one very detrimental to the health of the country, to intimidate Congressmen/women to vote out a nominee on the basis of allegations and an aggressive smear campaign. Rule of law =/= Court of public opinion... I think he showed he has the passion and stamina to handle very difficult issues that will have to be weighed in the courts, and this whole thing will probably make him a better judge... but I'm just a voter, so what do I know...

[Smithy]

Eh, not surprised the US is an utter joke of a country and the republicans are **** show of a party - they'd defend a murderer if he was on their side

[Zizu]

Will we ever find out if he's messed up in his new job or if he's made some outrageous decisions?


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[Livia]

Every decision he makes now will be examined, it will have to be.

So I'll say again... good job he wasn't an actor facing an allegation, he'd be in the process of being expunged from history. Luckily for the US, he's only a lawmaker.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Maru

I'm relieved. It would have set a very bad precedent, one very detrimental to the health of the country, to intimidate Congressmen/women to vote out a nominee on the basis of allegations and an aggressive smear campaign.

This tbh. I wouldn't want any politician from either side to be barred/removed from power on the basis of a shaky and changing allegation, as it would lead to more false claims against candidates.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

This tbh. I wouldn't want any politician from either side to be barred/removed from power on the basis of a shaky and changing allegation, as it would lead to more false claims against candidates.

Lawmakers need to be like Caesar's wife: above suspicion.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Eh, not surprised the US is an utter joke of a country and the republicans are **** show of a party - they'd defend a murderer if he was on their side

It could be worse, at least nobody's trying to escape it, infact it's the total opposite, not bad for a joke country eh?

[Tom4784]

It's utter foolishness to confirm him with so much doubt cast over him. They're rushing him in because they know they won't have the votes to confirm him after the midterms. It's disgraceful.

He should be investigated fully really. You can't give someone a lifelong position of power when there's doubt over their history.

[Alf]

He did absolutely nothing wrong, until he was up for this position.

[Matthew.]

i think it’s pretty disgraceful that he’s been voted in

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

He did absolutely nothing wrong, until he was up for this position.

Because you alone just so happen to know what happened with these people in the 1980's? Would you be so quick to defend him if he was a democrat leaning judge?

If there's doubts then those doubts must be investigated fully regardless of political leanings. His confirmation should have been delayed until a clearer picture of what happened had been painted.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's utter foolishness to confirm him with so much doubt cast over him. They're rushing him in because they know they won't have the votes to confirm him after the midterms. It's disgraceful.

He should be investigated fully really. You can't give someone a lifelong position of power when there's doubt over their history.

Trump can.
He is going for him now a family man
not as a 17 year old brat.

[bitontheslide]

Anyone that saw his performance at the hearing knows he is not a suitable candidate for the job. However, its not anything new in the history of the world for an unsuitable candidate to get the job. He will do Trump a favour at the correct moment and that's what it's all about.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Anyone that saw his performance at the hearing knows he is not a suitable candidate for the job. However, its not anything new in the history of the world for an unsuitable candidate to get the job. He will do Trump a favour at the correct moment and that's what it's all about.

Of Course

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Anyone that saw his performance at the hearing knows he is not a suitable candidate for the job. However, its not anything new in the history of the world for an unsuitable candidate to get the job. He will do Trump a favour at the correct moment and that's what it's all about.

In a nutshell.

[Northern Monkey]

There deffo should be a proper investigation.It’s only right with such serious claims.But he should only be denied his position with proper evidence imo.
If either side think they can just throw allegations around to manipulate the outcome then this kind of thing will become common practice no doubt.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

There deffo should be a proper investigation.It’s only right with such serious claims.But he should only be denied his position with proper evidence imo.
If either side think they can just throw allegations around to manipulate the outcome then this kind of thing will become common practice no doubt.

The only issue, that presupposition would open a lot of investigations. My view, it's an emotional situation for all following this. That's what hopeful and emotional thinking tells us, well, there's some little light that will eventually come on and put needed perspective on this situation... we hope, right?

But in my opinion, the "right" result is not always the most clear and to some degree, this is not supposed to feel right. She could pursue an investigation in MD or a suit, but she had already said she wouldn't. She has chosen not to. So I think it's reasonable to also ask ourselves why are we still pursuing this? What will really come of that if the victim has already said she's walking away from this?

Where I refute, they should open an investigation if her claims are credible. Not because it's "morally right". (Edit--I'm assuming a moral assumption there obviously) That's subjective reasoning. She gave no time, place, date. Everything was a blur and she kept changing her story.. the witnesses that were there said they weren't there and testified under oath to the FBI. If there was enough there, I think it would've gone that way actually towards a criminal investigation..

I don't think that this is supposed to feel right. I think that's more correct. I don't think this process is meant to feel fair either (emphasis: feel)... a lot of things in life are unfair. What we're seeing play out is a cultural response to that... and to some degree that is "right" as well, in my view... we are seeing how certain allegations not only hurt people directly, but around them and people not even directly involved (survivors of abuse, etc)... I feel terrible for the women breaking down as they tell their stories... I've never felt this sick about our politics before...

But we can't know that someone is guilty on basis of feeling... and if we continue to listen to feelings, we're going to get ourselves into major trouble eventually... either doing things we shouldn't do or acting out in ways that are detrimental to those around us and to society... and I'm talking about those who are completely swayed by the emotional side of our politics, who follow through on violent/terroristic threats, etc... not just the average person, you and I talking on this board... so yeah, most of this post is just me being topical.

What I would like to see come out of it is they have an official process for sexual assault survivors to report... and that senators/congresspeople/political lemmings are required to pass this on to that either that committee or FBI... and I think that should be handled by court of law and penalty of perjury for false claims. But anonymity is the key I think here... in order to get legitimate claims through... I'm not so convinced that these public hearings are the way to go to get to more legitimate claims... I think that it just turns it into an inquisition for both claimant and the defendant actually...

[Maru]

Calls to sexual assault hotline jump after Christine Blasey Ford's testimony
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...et/1471409002/

The emotional testimony of Christine Blasey Ford spurred a spike in calls to the National Sexual Assault hotline, according to the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network that runs the hotline.

The number of people who called the hotline was “201% above average” the day she testified, the group said.

Ford testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee for nearly four hours on Thursday, outlining a sexual assault she alleged she suffered at the hands of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

The California psychology professor went into painstaking detail, accusing the judge of holding her down on a bed at a party in 1982, trying to take off her clothes and putting his hand over her mouth to silence her calls for help.

Ford said she was “terrified” and only came forward after so many years because she felt it was her “civic duty.”

The high number of people reaching out to RAINN continued long after her testimony. The group reported “unprecedented wait times” for online chat services on Friday and Saturday.

RAINN spokeswoman Sara McGovern told CNN that the #MeToo movement overall has triggered “off the charts” demand for the group’s services, which are accessible at 800-656-HOPE or online.rainn.org.

"Our victim service programs went from helping about 15,000 victims per month to helping about 22,000 per month," she said.

Aside from the Ford testimony, the past week marked another milestone in the #MeToo movement, when Bill Cosby was sentenced to three to 10 years in prison for a sexual assault in 2004.

While such high-profile markers may signal steps forward for the movement, they can also trigger painful memories for victims, clinical psychologist Jim Hopper told USA TODAY.

Hopper, a teaching associate at Harvard Medical School who specialized in trauma and writes the Sexual Assault and the Brain blog for Psychology Today, said other daily events can also prompt a resurgence of traumatic memories.

It could be "revisiting the college you went to and walked by frat row, or undergoing cancer treatment and feeling vulnerable as you did when you were a kid who was abused."

[arista]

Yes Maru
Ford may have helped some folks
but can she get back to her normal job
or does she now have to have a 24/7 bodyguard, now?