[Jules82]

[QUOTE=RileyH;10325491]How do you get confused betwnocbu

Subconciounce, word is connected to thin and Cameron, bless him, is thin.

Then he followed up with the obvious, not a good joke and he has paid the price but it is plausible.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Had a Muslim said kill all from the west they wouldn't be getting defended like Lewis

If they did it in a satirical way like Lewis did then yes, they would be defended.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I'm not even a Lewis fan but I can see this is a massive stretch

Since when did impersonating someone mean you share their opinions or morales... All actors are going to hell then and are terrible people, comedians too

I really have to commend you on all your posts.
Really well balanced and constructed.

Refreshing to read honestly.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Had a Muslim said kill all from the west they wouldn't be getting defended like Lewis

Depends if he was impersonating anyone?...or he was instructing someone. Huge difference.

[Amy Jade]

If he had just said Auschwitz (which I have trouble believing you could say instead of outfits but that is neither here nor there) then I would agree his ejection was unjust but since he actually said 'kill the jews' I feel it was the right decision.

Even as a joke it just isn't funny.

[Jules82]

Originally Posted by ShakeyJake10

Not that it matters but it wasn't just Jews killed at aushwitz. Other religions were too, plus homosexuals so he was offending Cameron too

He was not offending anyone intentionally, it is the intent which counts and which should have been taken into consideration. The world is a sorry place with many tears, sometimes laughter belays the fears.

[Liam-]

As much as the impression and his words were tasteless and horrifically misjudged, I definitely don’t think it warranted ejection, a formal warning and a slap on the wrist would have sufficed if they weren’t going to show the incident anyway.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

If he had just said Auschwitz (which I have trouble believing you could say instead of outfits but that is neither here nor there) then I would agree his ejection was unjust but since he actually said 'kill the jews' I feel it was the right decision.

Even as a joke it just isn't funny.

Isnt that what Hitler did?...people have been impersonating Hitler for years saying such things. It wasn't meant to offend and he apologised to anyone it did. A warning maybe..just to be more aware of the sensitivity...but not ejected.

[EllieBrownFan]

Like Lewis would listen to a warning, he’s been breaking rules all series. There were desperate measures taken to ensure he wouldn’t get evicted but then the clownery bit back. He deserved to get ejected.

[Jules82]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Had a Muslim said kill all from the west they wouldn't be getting defended like Lewis

but they would if it wasnt said maliciously. It is just a shame that in this world we put everything under headings. We shouldnt have to look at someone and say oh he is this and he is that, it doesnt matter we are all from the same source with different thought. I am not religious but doesnt it say somewhere in the bible, when man speaks with the same tongue. Why separate have some faith in life itself. Life is bad though to be fair but someone has to begin....

[deanmontague]

Originally Posted by montblanc

whew this tea

How are people unable to seperate the difference between satire and genuine intended offense?

[AnnieK]

Even though Lewis has now said what it was (to be commended in all honesty, he could have left it). However....unless people are shown it on film we still can't judge how or in what context it was said. It needs to be put to bed now. As its stands, any anti-Semitic, racist, sexist or homophobic language is poor humour....call it satire if you want, I call it unfunny

I do think for Lewis, this will boost his moment of fame far more than winning the show would have done.

I'm bored of it now though....time to move on

[susie q]

If the auschwitz comment was a slip of the tongue, (cant see how though), he might have got away with it if he had just said oops sorry, and then stopped he might have got away with it. But to follow it up with a very poor taste joke, was just wrong. After all there really is' many true word spoken in Jest'. It was right to eject him.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jules82

Subconciounce, word is connected to thin and Cameron, bless him, is thin.

omg

[deanmontague]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

If he had just said Auschwitz (which I have trouble believing you could say instead of outfits but that is neither here nor there) then I would agree his ejection was unjust but since he actually said 'kill the jews' I feel it was the right decision.

Even as a joke it just isn't funny.

I will disagree with this - as someone who uses humour as a defense mechanism for the majority of things in life - i sometimes make jokes about things I shouldn't to try and lighten the mood - maybe that is simply what he was doing... Lets be adults and take offense where it is meant and not where it is grasped at.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by susie q

If the auschwitz comment was a slip of the tongue, (cant see how though), he might have got away with it if he had just said oops sorry, and then stopped he might have got away with it. But to follow it up with a very poor taste joke, was just wrong. After all there really is' many true word spoken in Jest'. It was right to eject him.

yes please, Biggins was removed for a poor taste joke so the precedent has already been set

[deanmontague]

Originally Posted by Cherie

yes please, Biggins was removed for a poor taste joke so the precedent has already been set

yet anne widdecombe was kept in for blatant homophobic opinions and beliefs and was championed as the runner up for freedom of speech

people are fickle. honestly.

[montblanc]

'kill all jews' isn't an appropriate 'joke' tho

[Denver]

Originally Posted by deanmontague

yet anne widdecombe was kept in for blatant homophobic opinions and beliefs and was championed as the runner up for freedom of speech

people are fickle. honestly.

She never said any of it in the house

[OldShagBuilt]

dont think its worth being booted out for lol it was a joke impression, remember barrymore did the same thing as hitler but didnt say kill the jews... though that is what hitler would of said. i find it funny myself as its just a bad impression. people need to lighten up. if he did a impression of some african dictator saying kill the whites.... still funny and wouldnt be booted for that.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by deanmontague

How are people unable to seperate the difference between satire and genuine intended offense?

Because they don't want to.. This is Lewis we are talking about remember

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

yes please, Biggins was removed for a poor taste joke so the precedent has already been set

He already had previous warnings for unacceptable language under his belt by the time he was kicked out though

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He already had previous warnings for unacceptable language under his belt by the time he was kicked out though

And Lewis has also broken the rules humorous times

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Isnt that what Hitler did?...people have been impersonating Hitler for years saying such things. It wasn't meant to offend and he apologised to anyone it did. A warning maybe..just to be more aware of the sensitivity...but not ejected.

I don't see it as an ejection issue either.
In fact I haven't agreed with other ejections.

It's odd a misguided and extremely foolish incident in the context of humour, warrants ejection.
Of course warn him, a formal and final warning should have sufficed.

If I believed or knew anyone was or was being anti semetic,.I'd want all thrown at them.
This wasn't such an instance and it seems he realised the concern that could be too, so raised the issue himself.
That should be shown.
It's not something he brushed, or tried to brush under the carpet.

Kazanne said, it is what it is and some who disliked Lewis as a housemate also advocate it's not an ejection worthy incident.
It's all really sad and could have been handled so much better by all concerned.

[Jules82]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

as if the two were mutually exclusive
another proof that when it comes to matters "spiritual" he doesn't know his arse from his elbow

I would totally disagree with you re the spiritual angle TS. He is spiritual, he reads the right books to enable him to understand more. In the understanding though comes the doubt and self annihilation trying hard to do the right thing. There is much in this world which isnt understood because many stay on one level of thought and dont want to discover.

Trying to discover is hard when one comes down to the level of materialism, we cant go through life being goody goody which, and, no disrespect, I believe that Kay is trying to do, bless her but she will learn.

Discovery is being able to be with all levels of understanding, this is what he is striving for whether one believes it or not. If he makes it well done, if he doesnt maybe the time isnt right. It certainly doesnt make him a bad person, everyone should have the benefit of the doubt because we are all searching whether we realise it or not.