[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh I'm sure some people would, but I do think it would be fewer, with there being an idea that a "real man" wouldn't let a young boy talk to them a certain way and not respond aggressively.

Yeah, I think the Bus Driver would have less support certainly but I still think he'd have support by a fair amount of people if it was "a chavvy girl" type thing. Either way I'm of the same opinion regardless of sex

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Here's another thought to muddy the waters;

I don't imagine for a second that people would be coming down so heavily in the driver's favour if this was a girl mouthing off, and he called her "fat bitch", threatened to "punch her face in" and physically shoved her off the bus.

Give that some thought, and think about why that wouldn't be OK. Now think about why it's apparently OK to do it to a teenage boy.

It’s pretty obvious why it’s not okay to do the same to a girl.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s pretty obvious why it’s not okay to do the same to a girl.

Oh I'm interested to know what the answer to that is?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh I'm interested to know what the answer to that is?

You already know the answer why. I don’t need to spell it out.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

You already know the answer why. I don’t need to spell it out.

Is it because people who are bigger and physically stronger shouldn't use their bigger and stronger physicality on someone smaller and weaker?

[Redway]

You can do this all you like but you know why it’s much different for a girl than a boy.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

You can do this all you like but you know why it’s much different for a girl than a boy.

Yes I do, the answer I just gave, men are physically stronger (generally speaking) in a similar way to adults being physically stronger than children. Is that not the answer you're thinking of? Why not tell me what you're thinking if its a different answer because that was what I was thinking?

[Redway]

Because it’s never okay for a stranger to lay his hand on a girl full stop. There’s nothing more to say for that one, it’s just an obvious no-no.

This boy can get treated like a man if he steps up to one in the way he did.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

Because it’s never okay for a stranger to lay his hand on a girl full stop. There’s nothing more to say for that one, it’s just an obvious no-no.

This boy can get treated like a man if he steps up to one in the way he did.

You're still not saying why it's never ok to lay hands on a girl and it is to lay hands on a boy.....I think it's pretty obvious why too but you don't want to actually say those words because it makes your defense of hitting children weaker, am I right or am I right?

[parmnion]

If its not OK to raise hands to a girl, why is it OK to chop of their clitirosis?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If its not OK to raise hands to a girl, why is it OK to chop of their clitirosis?

Who here’s condoning practices like that?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You're still not saying why it's never ok to lay hands on a girl and it is to lay hands on a boy.....I think it's pretty obvious why too but you don't want to actually say those words because it makes your defense of hitting children weaker, am I right or am I right?

A stranger touching a female for any reason is wrong for all shades of reasons and open to misinterpretation.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Redway

Who here’s condoning practices like that?

Nobody, but it ties in with your cultural differences in raising kids, I know black parents practice both beating kids as punishment and chopping if clitorisis just for the hellnof it... White parents don't seem to practice both. So I'm just wondering why you think the way kids are raised violently is good for them?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nobody, but it ties in with your cultural differences in raising kids, I know black parents practice both beating kids as punishment and chopping if clitorisis just for the hellnof it... White parents don't seem to practice both. So I'm just wondering why you think the way kids are raised violently is good for them?

And I just wonder why you aren’t taking this up with the other people on the thread who support the bus driver and not the kid.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Redway

And I just wonder why you aren’t taking this up with the other people on the thread who support the bus driver and not the kid.

I didn't quote you pal, you took it up all on your own.

[Redway]

Okay.

[internetkid]

I'm shocked at some of the comments on the site of the article. I'm sure it was edited and I am sure that the teenager was being arrogant and an idiot but how is it ever acceptable for a grown man who should be acting as role model to use violence against someone (especially a child). Whether the teenager deserved it or not is irrelevant tbh. I'm not sure if he threatened the teen at the start of the video but also calling him "Fat boy" is pathetic.

[internetkid]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s pretty obvious why it’s not okay to do the same to a girl.

How is it any different? It is wrong to assault ANYONE regardless of their sex!!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

A stranger touching a female for any reason is wrong for all shades of reasons and open to misinterpretation.

Well in this particular example it would for giving cheek to a bus driver, so presumably it's because the man is physically bigger and stronger but he's also physically bigger and stronger than the boy

[internetkid]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Happy to. I believe that "respect for elders" is a bull**** concept and ones elders should only be respected if they are in turn being respectful. In fact, I'll go further than that. I think pushing the idea that one must unquestioningly "respect one's elders" is straight up dangerous and opens to door to covert abuse and exploitation. It's an idea that has been used time and again throughout history to intimidate and silence young people when they are being mistreated by a supposed superior. One does not become more worthy of respect with age. Respect should be the default from birth and equal for everyone until they do something to lose that respect.

THANK YOU! You couldn't have put it better.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Nobody, but it ties in with your cultural differences in raising kids, I know black parents practice both beating kids as punishment and chopping if clitorisis just for the hellnof it... White parents don't seem to practice both. So I'm just wondering why you think the way kids are raised violently is good for them?

I don't think it's fair to say Black people think it's ok to do that, I'm sure there are many many black people who don't think it's ok. But it surely is a cultural practise which is why I was saying earlier it should be ok to challenge cultural practises that are cruel and unnecessary. Equally a lot of white people also think it's ok to use hitting as a discipline, it's not a black/white thing

[Maru]

The thing is if family does it, we know where they are coming from. With a stranger, it's going to be more dependent on cultural consensus. Well society is leaning a fair distance towards "empathy", which tends to be only a tinge stronger than apathy, but not a whole lot of love. My family and even our neighbors would not have me grow up in public not knowing any better, so it was sorted then. If corporal helps, they used it. That's love. It is probably better he learned a lesson @ 15 not to dick with authority, but instead society teaches kids now if they play the system a certain way, then they are the authority... btw this is exactly what most of our inmates here have fully ingrained almost regurgitatingly. So there is a bit more to that then particular parenting strategies, which I'll get into...

Also I don't think it is simply down to what method is best to parent (spoiler: There is no one-size-fits-all). It used to be the village had more of a hand in the raising of a kid as well. We don't have that element instilled in Western culture anymore. Unless we are lucky to live inside a like-minded community. The immediate family no longer extends beyond our property. Not when Americans sue for evert mishap or ppl call the police for every greivance. Which btw is how we end up with police brutality and a police state. When we give them the jurisdiction to do whatever is necessary to clean up the community, give it time... They are meant to provide security in emergencies, but increasingly they are being used as society's whipping cord. They're happy with that policy as long as they themselves don't suffer any discomfort or pained deference.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Redway

Okay.

I will outright ask you why, after being hit as punishment as a kid. You would then go on to hit your own kid if you ever likely to have one!

Its like racists in a way, being allowed to get away with racism cause their parents were.

I'm wondering which scenario effects the victim the most.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think it's fair to say Black people think it's ok to do that, I'm sure there are many many black people who don't think it's ok. But it surely is a cultural practise which is why I was saying earlier it should be ok to challenge cultural practises that are cruel and unnecessary. Equally a lot of white people also think it's ok to use hitting as a discipline, it's not a black/white thing

After looking at the demographic of countries practicing female circumcision, and the numbers who have suffered from it. I think it would be unfair to say anything other than black people are ok with it.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

After looking at the demographic of countries practicing female circumcision, and the numbers who have suffered from it. I think it would be unfair to say anything other than black people are ok with it.

I think that would be a huge generalisation there parm, there are only very small pockets of "civilisation" that support FGM.