[bitontheslide]

There is no disputing that it has been an almighty mess, and I think May had a plan of attack for it that she formulated before the election, and it would have worked had she obtained the majority she thought she was going to get.

However, she didnt get that result and never adjusted her strategy accordingly. In a divided house, the only way to get something through is with a consensus. She should have made all parties responsible for achieving that consensus. Make the tory brexit supporters and the labour party commit to a strategy .... She didn't do that, and now she will suffer the consequences, and to be quite honest, she deserves all the flak she gets. However, no-one should be off the hook in this. This is our country's future, not a political point scoring opportunity. All our MP's should be held accountable for choosing their own self interests before considering the needs of the country.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

same happens in every general election

and in every referendum

unless you know of any where lies, exaggeration and inflated bollox was not all pervading?

Not to the same extent or without the lies being able to be quickly and easily brushed aside as "one of many things said".

In this case, the public were given a binary referrendum;

Option A: Remain in the EU
Option B: Full Brexit

...where option B as it was described is logistically impossible. It's like someone came along and said "So would you like everything to stay the same and have plain old Heinz Tomato Soup, or would you like some unicorn soup that gives you magic powers?"... and some people were like "Ooooh unicorn soup, yes please!" and now everyone is saying "Oh sorry guys, turns out Unicorns don't exist, and the chef is dead anyway."

British Public:

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not to the same extent or without the lies being able to be quickly and easily brushed aside as "one of many things said".

In this case, the public were given a binary referrendum;

Option A: Remain in the EU
Option B: Full Brexit

...where option B as it was described is logistically impossible. It's like someone came along and said "So would you like everything to stay the same and have plain old Heinz Tomato Soup, or would you like some unicorn soup that gives you magic powers?"... and some people were like "Ooooh unicorn soup, yes please!" and now everyone is saying "Oh sorry guys, turns out Unicorns don't exist, and the chef is dead anyway."

British Public:

We all knew that no one had ever left the EU so no one could logically say they knew how it would go

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

We all knew that no one had ever left the EU so no one could logically say they knew how it would go

So you would agree then that starting the process without even trying to look into it was hilariously reckless?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So you would agree then that starting the process without even trying to look into it was hilariously reckless?

Dave Cameron took a gamble based on bog standard Tory euro squabbles and lost

then ran away

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Dave Cameron took a gamble based on bog standard Tory euro squabbles and lost

then ran away

The danger of having multi-generational wealth with investments across the globe in charge of decisions like this, let's face it. It doesn't personally affect him if the country crumbles economically.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The danger of having multi-generational wealth with investments across the globe in charge of decisions like this, let's face it. It doesn't personally affect him if the country crumbles economically.

same for all those in parliament who want a ''no deal brexit''


the working class british people are going to be affected by this, it is truly pathetic that they don't give a damn about their own people but thinking about their own ego's first (like we are superior over the EU, don't care what our people think, just going out of the EU)

us dutch had a Nexit poll, we never did it through parliament at all, just the public vote, and a slight majority voted to remain here


bc it is the truth if you don't give the people an opinion in this, it feels like dictatorship

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There is no disputing that it has been an almighty mess, and I think May had a plan of attack for it that she formulated before the election, and it would have worked had she obtained the majority she thought she was going to get.

However, she didnt get that result and never adjusted her strategy accordingly. In a divided house, the only way to get something through is with a consensus. She should have made all parties responsible for achieving that consensus. Make the tory brexit supporters and the labour party commit to a strategy .... She didn't do that, and now she will suffer the consequences, and to be quite honest, she deserves all the flak she gets. However, no-one should be off the hook in this. This is our country's future, not a political point scoring opportunity. All our MP's should be held accountable for choosing their own self interests before considering the needs of the country.

Exactly, they are a disgrace

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

same for all those in parliament who want a ''no deal brexit''


the working class british people are going to be affected by this, it is truly pathetic that they don't give a damn about their own people but thinking about their own ego's first (like we are superior over the EU, don't care what our people think, just going out of the EU)

us dutch had a Nexit poll, we never did it through parliament at all, just the public vote, and a slight majority voted to remain here


bc it is the truth if you don't give the people an opinion in this, it feels like dictatorship

You are entirely correct Nicky, they all have the sort of wealth (and their wealth in forms other than the GB Pound) that means they can "afford to take the gamble", as if everything falls apart for a few years they can weather it. If systems like benefits, healthcare and public transport are damaged it doesn't matter to them. And if worst comes to absolute worst, they can retire comfortably anywhere in the world they want.

[Glenn.]

Poor Tezz. This is all she needs before right before Christmas

[LeatherTrumpet]

[Toy Soldier]

There's no point "blaming" Cameron now (well, there is, but not much point dwelling on it) as he's gone and doesn't give a ****. "This is all your fault, Cameron!" is an entirely moot statement as he's removed himself from the position to do anything about it.

[michael21]

Hope there have the vote next week and may loses and then we all get to vote as long as it not raining

[Zizu]

They can't have a second vote as it just makes a mockery out of everything..

Are we gonna keep having them until we get it 'right'


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[Withano]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Are we gonna keep having them until we get it 'right'

The alternative being not having one despite knowing we got it wrong?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Withano

The alternative being not having one despite knowing we got it wrong?

Irrelevant.

We voted and got a result .


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[Withano]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Irrelevant.

We voted and got a result .


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Its not really irrelevant to your original point in that it ‘would make a mockery of everything’. Going through with something that most people are against and most know to be wrong would make even more of a mockery of the situation.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its not really irrelevant to your original point in that it ‘would make a mockery of everything’. Going through with something that most people are against and most know to be wrong would make even more of a mockery of the situation.

Most people voted out ..


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[Withano]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Most people voted out ..


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And now, most people would vote in... to ignore them today based on what they wanted a couple years ago would make a mockery of the situation, which you were very against five posts ago.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Withano

And now, most people would vote in... to ignore them today based on what they wanted a couple years ago would make a mockery of the situation, which you were very against five posts ago.

true, to go out of the EU now when it could be likely that most would like to remain is quite rude to the remaining camp

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Withano

And now, most people would vote in... to ignore them today based on what they wanted a couple years ago would make a mockery of the situation, which you were very against five posts ago.

Surely we have to go with the majority as we're a democracy..

Maybe when we are out we can have another vote THEN ... if and when it's deemed necessary..


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Surely we have to go with the majority as we're a democracy..

Maybe when we are out we can have another vote THEN ... if and when it's deemed necessary..


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When we are out we would have to reapply, accept the Euro, be in Schengen etc

The problem for me with the original vote is that alot of the people who it will affect the most were not engaged with the process therefore didnt vote, the misinformation and lies on both sides was also unacceptable and not condusive to a properly informed decision

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

When we are out we would have to reapply, accept the Euro, be in Schengen etc

This is a big part of the issue; a lot of people didn't realise that the UK *already* had special privileges when compared to other EU countries and could most likely have negotiated even more instead of having an in/out referendum. If we leave and it's a disaster, the EU will probably let the UK rejoin, but we'll have thrown all of those privileges away and would be unlikely to be allowed to keep the pound.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not to the same extent or without the lies being able to be quickly and easily brushed aside as "one of many things said".

In this case, the public were given a binary referrendum;

Option A: Remain in the EU
Option B: Full Brexit

...where option B as it was described is logistically impossible. It's like someone came along and said "So would you like everything to stay the same and have plain old Heinz Tomato Soup, or would you like some unicorn soup that gives you magic powers?"... and some people were like "Ooooh unicorn soup, yes please!" and now everyone is saying "Oh sorry guys, turns out Unicorns don't exist, and the chef is dead anyway."

British Public:

I've been eating tomato soup all my life and I'm bored with it, and its metallic taste.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I've been eating tomato soup all my life and I'm bored with it, and its metallic taste.

Parmnion after he rereads TS’s soup metaphor and realises his part in the story