[Cherie]

Originally Posted by RileyH

Right but why did I put BBC on wanting The Apprentice and being met with a load of old people jabbering on about bloody nonsense

and this is why the country is in this mess, take a bit of interest and vote maybe..?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Speak for yourself! The Corbynite remainers will share zero responsibility for your mess!

This is the non voters mess, no one else's

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Whatever it was, all I see is a strong determined women who could have walked at anytime with nothing more than an understanding nod from the public as she went.

Bit no! She stayed, doggedly battling away to get us out this mess we got ourselves in. Doing it for us. Not herself,not her party, just us.

She hasn't shunned the desperation of her plight, nor been visibly fazed by the indignation or scorn put upon her from her greedy self serving lynch mob.

The whole world has had its say, but our prime minister has kept smiling, kept fighting like a prime minister for the people should.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Daniel-X

All them dusty ugly old ccunnts in that room

Well with responses like this ,the country will always be a mess, some people just don't care or understand the complications.

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

So, the vote was:

For May: 63%
Against May: 37%

Jacob Rees-Mogg is calling for the PM to resign. That’s kind of strange, given that he thinks that 52% is the ‘will of the people’ and that a mandate like that should be respected.

I’m of the opinion that he’s a ****.

what a dick

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Rob!

So, the vote was:

For May: 63%
Against May: 37%

Jacob Rees-Mogg is calling for the PM to resign. That’s kind of strange, given that he thinks that 52% is the ‘will of the people’ and that a mandate like that should be respected.

I’m of the opinion that he’s a ****.

Did he also say that the MP's didn't understand what they were voting for? And that this vote was done out of racism and bigotry? Is he calling for a second vote? Or does he just have an opinion that she should resign?

[Nicky91]

200 votes backing May, 117 against her

83 vote difference that's more than i was expecting

[LeatherTrumpet]

did corbyn get a lot less just the other year?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Rees-Mogg has thankfully exposed himself as the spiteful toad that he is today, hopefully enough people have taken notice of his true colours.

I voted remain and would every time again, especially after watching this farce of a PM appointing and losing 2 of her own brexjt Ministers.
Then arrive with some deal, hardly anyone likes, even as to a heavy chunk of her own Party, in Parliament.

Never known a Government be held in contempt and pulling votes at the last minute.
It's like even a pantomime gone wrong.

For me the problem is, you cannot believe or trust a thing Mrs May says.

I have little I support as to Rees- Mogg, however he has always been solid and consistent in his view and passion to be out the EU.
With the right conditions for the UK as fits his agenda.
I don't agree with him on that but admire that he doesn't waver and has stuck to his stance on this all through.

Unlike this useless PM, who says one minute, this is the deal, there's no other, nothing can be added, changed or taken away from it.
Then says she's off to negotiate and get a piece of paper possibly for her to try to deceive Parliament and the Country again with.

Honestly, how anyone still believes a word she says is a mystery to me, after her botched election last year, which she promised would never happen until 2020.
Then her objectionable and terrible judgements as to Ministerial appointments.

Even though I'm on the opposite side of him as to leaving the EU, I'll take Rees-Mogg and his honesty any day over Mrs May's endless ignorance and political deceit.

[bitontheslide]

Getting rid of May at this point wont achieve anything, there isn't going to be another deal. To have a deal, both sides need to agree and the EU wont agree to anything else. So, if the consensus is that this deal isn't acceptable (whatever the reason) then that leaves 2 choices .... a hard brexit or don't leave. It's not difficult to understand.

I have no idea what the PM thinks she is going to achieve by delaying the commons vote on it, the result isn't going to change. It's not going to get approved. So, we either hard brexit or stay in .... that's what the people need to be given the right to choose ... and sooner rather than later.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Even though I'm on the opposite side of him as to leaving the EU, I'll take Rees-Mogg and his honesty any day over Mrs May's endless ignorance and political deceit.

I'd be careful what you wish for Joey, May might be utterly useless as a PM but she is still vaguely human (as Tories go). I 100% believe that Smogg would happily scrap every last penny of benefits and have children back in the workhouses if he believed he could get away with it... he's the sort of person who thinks of anyone below the upper-middle classes as little more than work dogs. He is a toxic, uncaring elitist and has been since he was old enough to hold a pencil.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'd be careful what you wish for Joey, May might be utterly useless as a PM but she is still vaguely human (as Tories go). I 100% believe that Smogg would happily scrap every last penny of benefits and have children back in the workhouses if he believed he could get away with it... he's the sort of person who thinks of anyone below the upper-middle classes as little more than work dogs. He is a toxic, uncaring elitist and has been since he was old enough to hold a pencil.

Oh I'm not wanting him as PM.
I actually don't think any leaders we have in England are PM material.

I admire his honesty and stance re brexit.
I actually do also, even though I abhore some of his personal views, at least he doesn't hide or cover them up.

I have many Conservative voter friends and many are Conservative Party members.
I am sure from them, there's no chance of Rees-Mogg or his like, getting enough support from the mainstream fairer and decent Conservatives, to ever likely reach a Ministerial position and certainly not Leader or PM.

No I'm not wishing for him to lead government TS.
No way, don't worry.
On brexit, I admire his own honesty more however than this total waste of space, deceiving PM we currently have the misfortune to be stuck with.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This is the non voters mess, no one else's

Quite so, Cherie.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This is the non voters mess, no one else's

I'm not even sure how this is in anyway possible. The vote may have been lost because of non-voters, but everything that has happened since that date has been solely on the backs of those that voted leave, and the government trying to action it out.

You can't get what you want, then turn around and blame others when what you voted for turned out to be the ****show it was obviously going to be all along.

Take your victory and enjoy it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm not even sure how this is in anyway possible. The vote may have been lost because of non-voters, but everything that has happened since that date has been solely on the backs of those that voted leave, and the government trying to action it out.

You can't get what you want, then turn around and blame others when what you voted for turned out to be the ****show it was obviously going to be all along.

Take your victory and enjoy it.

what victory is this? I voted remain

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

what victory is this? I voted remain

Ahh ok, I thought you were a leaver; either way, it's still on the backs of the government and leavers. People bought a bill of goods so let them(and definitely not you the remainer ) enjoy it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Ahh ok, I thought you were a leaver; either way, it's still on the backs of the government and leavers. People bought a bill of goods so let them(and definitely not you the remainer ) enjoy it.

It affects us all though, I just don't understand what leaving is going to bring to Joe Bloggs in the street, nada as far as I can see

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It affects us all though, I just don't understand what leaving is going to bring to Joe Bloggs in the street, nada as far as I can see

It absolutely affects us all but what can we do? We lost, and those that voted to inflict pain on the country won. The craziest thing is that even though we've seen what a mess this is and will be, people are so wed to winning (regardless of evidence), that they'd rather force this through and to hell with the consequences, than actually reevaluating what it actually means for the country.

It's political sociopathy, narcissism, and solipsism all rolled into one. If working people are so invested in racism and xenophobia dressed up as immigration concerns, that they are prepared to adversely affect future generations of their own families then there's not a lot you can do.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It affects us all though, I just don't understand what leaving is going to bring to Joe Bloggs in the street, nada as far as I can see

That's the thing isn't it, it'll bring nothing (and probably take a few things away) and the benefits - if there are any - are for those at the top of the pile and in control. That's the real great shame of the Leave vote... so many genuine, normal people who actually want things to be better were lied to and made to believe that Brexit was for the good of ordinary people, so they voted for it in that hope, but "taking control away from Europe" was never to place it in the hands of ordinary people in the UK, it was to unleash those at the top who want more control for themselves. The Borises, the Rees-Moggs, et al. The fact that they are STILL adamantly pro-Brexit should be all anyone needs to know... because the idea that their interests lie with the average British citizen is just so obviously false. Boris treats the lives of millions like a game, Mogg practically spews disdain for anyone who isn't landed gentry every time he opens his floppy muppet plum mouth.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It absolutely affects us all but what can we do? We lost, and those that voted to inflict pain on the country won. The craziest thing is that even though we've seen what a mess this is and will be, people are so wed to winning (regardless of evidence), that they'd rather force this through and to hell with the consequences, than actually reevaluating what it actually means for the country.

It's political sociopathy, narcissism, and solipsism all rolled into one. If working people are so invested in racism and xenophobia dressed up as immigration concerns, that they are prepared to adversely affect future generations of their own families then there's not a lot you can do.

That didn't just spring up out of the ground, though, the propaganda of fear has been pushed and pushed every day for a decade or more to get people to this point. It was done deliberately and nefariously, chipping away at the public mindset, and the effects of that are now pretty clear. The same people who orchestrated that are heavily pro-Brexit and stand to gain in various ways through Brexit and that's no coincidence.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That didn't just spring up out of the ground, though, the propaganda of fear has been pushed and pushed every day for a decade or more to get people to this point. It was done deliberately and nefariously, chipping away at the public mindset, and the effects of that are now pretty clear. The same people who orchestrated that are heavily pro-Brexit and stand to gain in various ways through Brexit and that's no coincidence.

You make very strong points there TS.
I agree wholeheartedly.

[arista]

If Labour /SNP/LibDem and Some Possible Angry Conservatives
call for a No Confidence Vote
the PM could end up gone

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by arista

If Labour /SNP/LibDem and Some Possible Angry Conservatives
call for a No Confidence Vote
the PM could end up gone

the tories voting to put themselves out of a job? Nope they wont do that.

It would be a close vote but its not a certainty by any means

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

If Labour /SNP/LibDem and Some Possible Angry Conservatives
call for a No Confidence Vote
the PM could end up gone

Rees-Mogg leading those angry conservatives i think

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That didn't just spring up out of the ground, though, the propaganda of fear has been pushed and pushed every day for a decade or more to get people to this point. It was done deliberately and nefariously, chipping away at the public mindset, and the effects of that are now pretty clear. The same people who orchestrated that are heavily pro-Brexit and stand to gain in various ways through Brexit and that's no coincidence.

I agree and disagree. I agree that this has been an on-going propaganda campaign for years, but it's way longer than the last decade. However, I can't absolve people of blame for buying into it; unless the seeds were there to begin with, then bigotry doesn't flower.

You are 100% correct in those that stand to gain from this mess though. Imagine all the regulations that can be scrapped to appease more and more corporations that won't have to pay taxes, with their nice MP's as board members.

All regulations that actually protect those on the bottom rung of society are in absolute and real danger.