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13-12-2018, 02:16 PM | #176 | |||
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13-12-2018, 02:22 PM | #177 | ||
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13-12-2018, 02:29 PM | #178 | |||
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I'm old enough to remember the UK before we even joined the common market, and believe it or not we did just fine, travelled where we wanted to, worked where we wanted to. Traded with who we wanted to.
However, the world is not the same anymore. We have a global economy that is dependent on other countries. If they fail, we fail. So being connected with them and having a shared vision is a necessity for prosperity. We will struggle without a good trade agreement with europe, be in no doubt about that. They are our cheapest market and without a good agreement with them we will suffer and a hard brexit wont help that. That is reality, and I challenge any brexiteer to disagree. |
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13-12-2018, 02:42 PM | #179 | ||
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It also ties in with a great deal older members of my family say too. You point out a stark reality in that the World is not the same anymore as it was 40+ years ago. Really strong content in your post. |
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13-12-2018, 02:45 PM | #180 | ||
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taxation is a different matter, very much decided by national governments and local authorities, not the eu |
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13-12-2018, 02:47 PM | #181 | ||
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The problem is that we live in a world where facts are considered optional, BOTS. What you are saying is factually true, but given the Leave campaign and how effective their easily fact checked lies were, people want the lies more than they want to acknowledge the truth of the matter.
That's why people are so content to keep banging on about remain like how Trump will still bring up Hillary even now, years on from the election. It's a distraction from the realities upon us all. Why focus on the ramifications of our decisions when we can look for a scapegoat instead? |
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13-12-2018, 02:55 PM | #182 | ||
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say we do hard brexit, countries like us, india or china will want all sorts of concessions for good trade agreement and they'll know we have no choice as we won't have backing of a powerful bloc behind us us may want access for their big pharma (I pity nhs if that happens), agriculture (gm food) etc, India may want visa restrictions lifted (more immigration here), China? who knows... it's not going to be that the world will embrace us with open arms; oh, new zealand and their lamb? what will farmers say? the big problem is people are generally not well-informed about the eu and decades of hostile press owned by people who live abroad (and hate eu bc it has a say over their rapacious media empires) have done their damage Some brexiteers wan't do kick the relatively benign eu not realizing it will be replaced by much more unpleasant partners we're part of europe and should stick together, only eu can talk as equal partner to the likes of china or us |
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13-12-2018, 02:59 PM | #183 | ||
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and eu army makes perfect sense
europe should not expect america to pay for its defence indefinitely most if not all eu countries have professional, career armed forces, there's no need for conscription anyway Last edited by Twosugars; 13-12-2018 at 05:36 PM. |
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13-12-2018, 04:57 PM | #184 | |||
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13-12-2018, 05:04 PM | #185 | |||
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13-12-2018, 05:38 PM | #186 | ||
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Alfred Last edited by Twosugars; 13-12-2018 at 05:39 PM. |
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13-12-2018, 06:50 PM | #187 | |||
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13-12-2018, 07:50 PM | #188 | ||
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14-12-2018, 07:49 AM | #189 | |||
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Which is why tibb is ****.
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14-12-2018, 08:09 AM | #190 | |||
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14-12-2018, 10:14 AM | #191 | |||
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14-12-2018, 03:16 PM | #192 | |||
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The mess that is the tory government and brexit? I mean, in part, but not really anywhere near as directly as it it the tories’ and the brexiteers? Nice try but no.
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