[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and its not about anyone attacking anyone its about respect for the women. men and women are not the same

Looks like you done well in biology.

Can see your post turning the whole thread around? Not.

If you wrote that on paper it would be a waste of paper and ink.

[thesheriff443]

I know there have been cuts in the nhs, but they are not making men and women share baths.

How many on here man or woman would leave the changing room door open in a stores fitting room.

[Marsh.]

Most fitting rooms I've been in have flimsy curtains.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Most fitting rooms I've been in have flimsy curtains.

True but Asda has doors, but even with a curtain, you still pull it, and I’ve never had anyone open the curtain while you are in there.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

True but Asda has doors, but even with a curtain, you still pull it, and I’ve never had anyone open the curtain while you are in there.

Me neither.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What cultural reasons?

Wards are not private areas. They are open to countless people of both genders passing through day and night.

For modesty, they have screens, rooms and bathrooms.

so you can't think of one culture where men and women are segregated, no?

what about the one where some women cover their hair and faces in public, are you honestly telling me that they will be lying in a hospital bed next to a man?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I know there have been cuts in the nhs, but they are not making men and women share baths.

How many on here man or woman would leave the changing room door open in a stores fitting room.

Now who is being petty

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Now who is being petty

Oddly I always thought he was a bit feminine



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[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Now who is being petty

I’m not being petty I’m taking the p1ss.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so you can't think of one culture where men and women are segregated, no?

what about the one where some women cover their hair and faces in public, are you honestly telling me that they will be lying in a hospital bed next to a man?

They would have to be moved to a side room or similar ,so costing the NHS more £$

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Honestly hospital wards wouldn't be such a big issue for me, there would be male visitors coming in and out all day anyway, I've been in short term wards (where you're released that day after a procedure/op). But I could see for elderly people who may be in there for longer periods why they'd rather not be in mixed words, for the sake of modesty. Changing rooms and prisons should not be mixed though imo

Personally I wouldn't feel sharing a ward with anyone to be modest, also, there are male doctors and nurses, I wouldn't find being treated by a man any different to being in the same ward as one. It's just a man. The only reason a trans person, pre-op or post-op is going to be in the hospital is for a medical need. They're not going to be rubbing their hands together at the prospect of preying on someone at the hospital when they find out they have to get their gallbladder out.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so you can't think of one culture where men and women are segregated, no?

what about the one where some women cover their hair and faces in public, are you honestly telling me that they will be lying in a hospital bed next to a man?

Those kinds of people would have all kinds of issues with the set up of a Western hospital regardless of any possible gender divide.

Does it require an entire restructure of our hospitals? Not really.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Personally I wouldn't feel sharing a ward with anyone to be modest, also, there are male doctors and nurses, I wouldn't find being treated by a man any different to being in the same ward as one. It's just a man. The only reason a trans person, pre-op or post-op is going to be in the hospital is for a medical need. They're not going to be rubbing their hands together at the prospect of preying on someone at the hospital when they find out they have to get their gallbladder out.

You have completely missed the point, its self identication that is the issue and if you read the article their rights are more important than anyone elses as it stands, shouldn’t we all have the same rights? if I identify as a cat tomorrow can I go and stay in a cattery because that is how bonkers this is

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You have completely missed the point, its self identication that is the issue and if you read the article their rights are more important than anyone elses as it stands, shouldn’t we all have the same rights? if I identify as a cat tomorrow can I go and stay in a cattery because that is how bonkers this is

Well not really.

You just compared gender to species.

[Alf]

Let's compromise and give the trans their own ward, their own toilets and changing rooms and anything else where the sexes are separated.

It's not rocket science

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well not really.

You just compared gender to species.

Why cant I, who is going to stop me.?

Fewer than 10 trusts considered the needs of the majority of patients when allocating transgender patients to wards, with two more considering accommodation for transgender patients on a case-by-case basis. West Suffolk NHS Trust said the transgender patient’s right to be in a single sex environment of their preferred gender “supersedes objections raised by other patients” despite women and men having a right to segregated facilities under the Equality Act 2010. It said that while a female victim of sexual assault could “reasonably” object to being on the same ward as someone they “perceive to be male”, staff should “seek the view of the trans service user” before any action was taken.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Let's compromise and give the trans their own ward, their own toilets and changing rooms and anything else where the sexes are separated.

It's not rocket science

Are trans people in such numbers that they require their own ward?

We wouldn't want more wasted space when there's a fight for beds as it is.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why cant I, who is going to stop me.?

Oh dear. Nobody's stopping you it's just a waste of effort as claiming to be a cat is not even similar to gender, nevermind a direct comparison. Like what exactly are you illustrating with it apart from ignorance?

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You have completely missed the point, its self identication that is the issue and if you read the article their rights are more important than anyone elses as it stands, shouldn’t we all have the same rights? if I identify as a cat tomorrow can I go and stay in a cattery because that is how bonkers this is

That is a ridiculous comparison. You're clearly running out of ideas.

Transgender people are just the same as everyone else, the literal only difference it makes to anyone apart from them personally is words. They might prefer to be called by a chosen name rather than the one picked for them and they might prefer to be referred to as "she/her" rather than "he/him". Other than that there is zero affect on anyone apart from that person trying to get on with their life and be comfortable.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh dear. Nobody's stopping you it's just a waste of effort as claiming to be a cat is not even similar to gender, nevermind a direct comparison. Like what exactly are you illustrating with it apart from ignorance?

Yes I’m ignorant lets finish any discussion right there

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

That is a ridiculous comparison. You're clearly running out of ideas.

Transgender people are just the same as everyone else, the literal only difference it makes to anyone apart from them personally is words. They might prefer to be called by a chosen name rather than the one picked for them and they might prefer to be referred to as "she/her" rather than "he/him". Other than that there is zero affect on anyone apart from that person trying to get on with their life and be comfortable.

So how are you going to accommodate muslim women in this bright new dawn of yours?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes I’m ignorant lets finish any discussion right there

Oh please no.

I want you to bring up a completely irrelevant comparison again to try and back up your point.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh please no.

I want you to bring up a completely irrelevant comparison again to try and back up your point.

And I want you to discount a whole community because you couldn’t join the dots

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

And I want you to discount a whole community because you couldn’t join the dots

Who did I discount?

What do you think happens with Muslim patients at the moment?

You're the one with a confused idea of how a transgender person in a hospital is going to affect you.

Literally as archaic as blokes thinking gay men automatically want to sexually assault them.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So how are you going to accommodate muslim women in this bright new dawn of yours?

What would they need accommodation for?