[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think its pretty clear that those pointing a finger at the lady don't have kids, and i'm sorry, you cant understand that unless you are a parent. Its possible to sympathise and show compassion, but there is no substitute to actually being a parent.

Lazy dismissive argument which basically translates to 'You can't have a valid opinion because I say so.'

Utter bull****.

[Mystic Mock]

Am I the only one that thinks that the Oscars should only be nominating entertainment for these awards?

How can a Movie about a real life situation where a boy is brutally murdered (short Film or not) be considered quality entertainment by the Oscars?

[joeysteele]

Every time I see Jamie's Mum.
I feel so sorry for her.

Really she has had to battle as best she could to get real justice for the barbaric, merciless unnecessary murder of her young son.

One of the guilty get all sorts of help and protection, with new identities, yet still reoffends.

She is totally right on this issue with this film.
It's awful that financial gain itself is part of it.
However the prestige of award for this barbaric crime, is and should be a disgrace.

I really feel sorry deeply for Jamie's Mum.
This must be an ever present endless run of pain in her life.
That media do little and really nothing to ease.

As for her doing a book.
Jamie was her son.
At least she herself detailing the pain is valid.

She must still wonder what more pain can be foisted on her and Jamie's family.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Lazy dismissive argument which basically translates to 'You can't have a valid opinion because I say so.'

Utter bull****.

it's not a lazy dismissive argument, it's a factually accurate statement. I don't see any parents casting a critical eye at the mother in this thread. To suggest that my statement is bull****, is in itself a bull**** argument ... the irony

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I don't believe any parent would "get over" something like that. I wonder how many of those casting criticism her way are parents.

It's absolutely disgusting.

Parents who lose their kids to illness will never ever forget their kids and will grieve for the rest of their lives...so imagine how difficult it is for her when her son was taken so viciously......those condemning her obviously have never lost a child or they would.know that talking about it as much as possible is a way of coping.....Having others talk about it is not.

[Kazanne]

Of course Denise wants her boy to be remembered, but in a positive way,this is why they set up the James Bulger charity in which they have brought a seaside mobile home so that bullied and neglected kids can go on holiday and have a break, that is a charity supported by many people,as for her bringing it up,I believe it was venables re offending that brought it all up again.There was a debate on LBC last night and thankfully the general feeling is that this film will show nothing we don't already know (except for his injuries, well I hope to God not) we have seen it all we all know the backgrounds of them both from several documentaries,files etc,so no reason other than notoriety and gain has this film being made, and to go behind James's parents backs is so wrong and disrespectfull,hell what next graphic pics of his ordeal.As for the books Denise and Ralph wrote, Denise says herself she wants him to be remembered as a little boy who had a happy but short life and not a murder victim all the time and writing her thoughts down on paper helped her keep that memory alive,both books are an insight into James life and their grief.
http://forjames.org/

[parmnion]

Just to add that nobody can tell a parent how they should grieve their child's death.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Of course Denise wants her boy to be remembered, but in a positive way,this is why they set up the James Bulger charity in which they have brought a seaside mobile home so that bullied and neglected kids can go on holiday and have a break, that is a charity supported by many people,as for her bringing it up,I believe it was venables re offending that brought it all up again.There was a debate on LBC last night and thankfully the general feeling is that this film will show nothing we don't already know (except for his injuries, well I hope to God not) we have seen it all we all know the backgrounds of them both from several documentaries,files etc,so no reason other than notoriety and gain has this film being made, and to go behind James's parents backs is so wrong and disrespectfull,hell what next graphic pics of his ordeal.As for the books Denise and Ralph wrote, Denise says herself she wants him to be remembered as a little boy who had a happy but short life and not a murder victim all the time and writing her thoughts down on paper helped her keep that memory alive,both books are an insight into James life and their grief.
http://forjames.org/

Excellent post.
Superb read Kazanne.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just to add that nobody can tell a parent how they should grieve their child's death.

some of the judgy comments in here are appalling to say the least

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Of course Denise wants her boy to be remembered, but in a positive way,this is why they set up the James Bulger charity in which they have brought a seaside mobile home so that bullied and neglected kids can go on holiday and have a break, that is a charity supported by many people,as for her bringing it up,I believe it was venables re offending that brought it all up again.There was a debate on LBC last night and thankfully the general feeling is that this film will show nothing we don't already know (except for his injuries, well I hope to God not) we have seen it all we all know the backgrounds of them both from several documentaries,files etc,so no reason other than notoriety and gain has this film being made, and to go behind James's parents backs is so wrong and disrespectfull,hell what next graphic pics of his ordeal.As for the books Denise and Ralph wrote, Denise says herself she wants him to be remembered as a little boy who had a happy but short life and not a murder victim all the time and writing her thoughts down on paper helped her keep that memory alive,both books are an insight into James life and their grief.
http://forjames.org/

Exactly, Denise has not courted the limelight but has been forced to get justice for James because of some do gooders who thought he had been rehabilitated and even when it was proven that he was still a danger, they still wouldn't listen, it must be so frustrating for her and her family to have to deal with. Everyone deals with things in their own way, there is no right or wrong way to deal with the death of anyone who was taken before their time in a violent manner

[Toy Soldier]

I'm afraid I have to agree with "the parents" on this one; the whole thing is completely inappropriate, the mother's disgust and anger is completely understandable and justifiable, and the evidence at hand in this thread and others, based on the fact that all or at least the vast majority of people who do have children (and who don't necessarily agree on most topics) do have fairly aligned views on this, is that having children DOES change opinions on stories like these and that some people who don't have children will have a tougher time imagining the struggle of a parent whose child has been killed.

To be quite honest all I can say is... ... ... if one of my children was murdered and then someone decided to make a film about it without permission, the fallout would be significantly more than a little bit of disgust and anger. And that's coming from someone who does in general understand the need and desire to understand and document these situations. By all means, say that it's a shame that she's hurt by it but you think it should be OK anyway... that's one thing... actively condemning her / questioning her being against it or her motivations are totally another.

Either way I do think an Oscar nod is completely inappropriate and disrespectful and the film-makers should reject it, if they have any respect for the sensitivity of their source material.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

!!!

Part of me think she lives for the attention she gets everytime she can fake some outrage about something new.

Her 2 year old child was tortured and murdered and you think she "lives for the attention of it" are you for ****ing real? ****ing disgusting.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think its pretty clear that those pointing a finger at the lady don't have kids, and i'm sorry, you cant understand that unless you are a parent. Its possible to sympathise and show compassion, but there is no substitute to actually being a parent.

Sorry Bots, I don't agree with that. Approximately three children are killed by their parents in the UK every week. So please don't imagine that if you don't have a child you're somehow less compassionate than someone who has.

I don't have kids. If you want to see real maternal instincts at work... lay a hand on one of my nieces.

All that said... I'm totally on the side of Jamie's parents. How dare anyone make a trivial film without consulting the family of the victim. Has decency just died?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Specifics don’t really matter, any attention she gets know she knows will lead to a mention of her book, like in this article

Jezuz... that's cold, even for you.

[parmnion]

I think I might just buy her book today after reading a few excerpts from it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I think I might just buy her book today after reading a few excerpts from it.

I don't think I could even read it, it's so upsetting the whole case

[Jordan.]

The fact a film about the torture and murder of a child is something is being applauded and celebrated as "art" is just really disturbing to me. The family have every right to be disgusted.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Exactly, Denise has not courted the limelight but has been forced to get justice for James because of some do gooders who thought he had been rehabilitated and even when it was proven that he was still a danger, they still wouldn't listen, it must be so frustrating for her and her family to have to deal with. Everyone deals with things in their own way, there is no right or wrong way to deal with the death of anyone who was taken before their time in a violent manner

Some of the comments are quite upsetting tbh , to think people could actually think Denise somehow enjoys the limelight is repugnant , she is simply unhappy that her sons murder is being exploited in this way,just because it happened 20 odd years ago does not lessen their grief, I admire them for their total loyalty to James.

[Livia]

Even after all these years I can't get my head around it... that poor child.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Even after all these years I can't get my head around it... that poor child.

Hi Livia,yes if only people knew the half of it, hope you arewell

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Hi Livia,yes if only people knew the half of it, hope you arewell

Hey Kaz, I'm good thanks. Hope you are...

I thought of you when I heard this story on the news. Is there no decency left in this disgusting, self-centred, money-and-fame-hungry world?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Some of the comments are quite upsetting tbh , to think people could actually think Denise somehow enjoys the limelight is repugnant , she is simply unhappy that her sons murder is being exploited in this way,just because it happened 20 odd years ago does not lessen their grief, I admire them for their total loyalty to James.

Sad to say I think it has been intentional which is why I wouldn't even bother responding to individuals

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Am I the only one that thinks that the Oscars should only be nominating entertainment for these awards?

How can a Movie about a real life situation where a boy is brutally murdered (short Film or not) be considered quality entertainment by the Oscars?

Well you've completely misunderstood the Oscars then haven't you?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just to add that nobody can tell a parent how they should grieve their child's death.

Nobody has done that.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Sorry Bots, I don't agree with that. Approximately three children are killed by their parents in the UK every week. So please don't imagine that if you don't have a child you're somehow less compassionate than someone who has.