[Underscore]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

we need an independent Scotland away from this vile English political mess pronto

indy yorkshire first

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the brexiteers will crawl back anyway after 29th of March, once they found out about brexit having so many negative effects on UK (apart from that one positive thing of independence)

Sigh.

[Northern Monkey]

Atleast when they become a party they can get rid of the boring ‘Independent Group’ name.

Maybe ‘The Funny Tinge Party’?

[bitontheslide]

Nobody could care less that 7 insignificant people have left the labour party. Wake me up when its 70

[arista]

LT edit your title

They are now 8

A Labour MP from Enfield has joined them

Joan Ryan Labour MP.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Nobody could care less that 7 insignificant people have left the labour party. Wake me up when its 70

Only 62 to go

[arista]

Enfield North MP Joan Ryan has resigned from Labour,

https://news.sky.com/story/joan-ryan...group-11642422

So its now 8

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Enfield North MP Joan Ryan has resigned from Labour,

https://news.sky.com/story/joan-ryan...group-11642422

So its now 8

Who is she?

It's now being said some likely insignificant Conservative MPs might be joining them too.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the brexiteers will crawl back anyway after 29th of March, once they found out about brexit having so many negative effects on UK (apart from that one positive thing of independence)

[JoshBB]

It's a shame that our FPTP system doesn't allow new parties to develop properly and have a diverse mix of parties representative of the UK's political spectrum.

I hope this new party can become a strong voice for Remain and common sense politics- with a focus on rational evidence-backed politics rather than emotional knee-jerk responses to issues our country faces.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

It's a shame that our FPTP system doesn't allow new parties to develop properly and have a diverse mix of parties representative of the UK's political spectrum.

I hope this new party can become a strong voice for Remain and common sense politics- with a focus on rational evidence-backed politics rather than emotional knee-jerk responses to issues our country faces.

fptp distorts the political spectrum big time; ok, it may promote a single-party government but coalitions can work too
as it is people feel disinfranchised bc they don't have proper representation in parliament
as much as I hate them, UKIP is a good case in point: in 2015 the Tories got 11.3m votes and 329 seats, while Ukip got one seat for 3.9m votes. That's ridiculous.

[bitontheslide]

I'm afraid the group needs to consist of more high profile members before it will gain any credibility. They haven't got off to the greatest of starts.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Who is she?

It's now being said some likely insignificant Conservative MPs might be joining them too.

Joan Ryan
A Big Anti Corbyn MP

From the Conservatives
it could be DR.Sara first
as she is 100% Anti Brexit.


This Group
have no Manifesto
unless they become a proper party
of losers.

[bitontheslide]

The only purpose of this group that I can see is to collect cross party mp's together that are anti-brexit. Which means that it has a shelf life that will last to the end of March. It could be quite interesting to see exactly which MP's want to defy the referendum result, but thats about as far as it goes.

[Nicky91]

yes she was for 40 yrs in the Labour party

i guess this makes an impact to see one of your veteran members resign

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes she was for 40 yrs in the Labour party

i guess this makes an impact to see one of your veteran members resign

No
the impact is local
but not one of these MP's
is doing a By Election

She is a veteran that has not been on main news

[arista]

GMBHD itv at 8:05AM (From Robert Peston)
Claimed 4 Conservatives are getting ready to jump to this loser group.



On the right DR. Sarah Wollaston Conservative MP "could " jump today

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes she was for 40 yrs in the Labour party

i guess this makes an impact to see one of your veteran members resign

It should be a concern.
As s Labour Party member myself.
It doesn't me.
Only 18 months ago, all these MP's fought an election on the manifesto Labour had.
Why.

Why didn't they stand as Independents then.

I voted remain in the referendum.
The Labour election manifesto said they'd too leave the EU.

All these 8 want to stay in really and if big enough would work for that aim.
So they deceived the voters who elected them in 2017.
With much greater majorities in their seats too.

People can be married for 40 years then divorce and even act like they hate each other.
Most of this lot, not Luciana, would not have left if Corbyn had proposed a what they call peoples vote.

Yet they refuse to seek their constituents support in a mini peoples vote in by elections in their seats.

Hypocrites mostly and Democrats no way.

However, unless something does begin to totally purge any with the smallest of antisemitic views in the Party, and other Parties.
This will lead to more now going.
I think myself,.we are at the point where a fully independent investigations, into all Parties of antisemitism, racism .xenophobia and Islamaphobia is now needed.

Not the Parties internal machinery doing the investigating.

These runaways however, until elected again as Independents get no full respect from me.
Nor any other MPs from any other Party too that join them without fighting a by election.

[bitontheslide]

The current political system elects individuals to parliament, not political parties. On that basis, there is no requirement to call a by election. Morally, it is questionable to continue but not legally. I find it quite amusing because they are basically using morality as their basis for leaving the party, but that doesn't extend to their moral obligations on which they were elected in the first place.

[arista]

She is Live on SkyNewsHD All Out Politics
now

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The current political system elects individuals to parliament, not political parties. On that basis, there is no requirement to call a by election. Morally, it is questionable to continue but not legally. I find it quite amusing because they are basically using morality as their basis for leaving the party, but that doesn't extend to their moral obligations on which they were elected in the first place.

If that's so why have Parties at all.
I agree legally they don't need to fight a by election.
I think however, anyone elected as a Party MP, who then leaves that Party.
The Party itself should be able to call a by election.
That's a change I'd like to see and fight for.

We elect Conservative or Labour governments.
Not Independents.

If they want to be independent why fight an election under a Party manifesto.

They asked the voters to elect them as Labour MPs.
Which the voters did.

If they no longer wish to remain the Party or Government MP.
Then they should first seek the support of the people who elected them.

Of course we elect Parties.
Imagine electing a government.
Who then has many of it's MPs deciding not to support that government anymore and leaving the Party.
That Party government would be in chaos.

They are screaming for a new EU vote.
Hold one themselves in by elections.

If. I stress if, then got elected again as independents, that could strengthen their argument for a new EU vote.

They won't, because they're cowards and know they'd lose the by elections probably.

[arista]

Yes they will all get washed away
at the next General Election

[Livia]

It's a shame that long-standing members of the Labour party no longer recognise their party. It would be nice if lots of centrist MPs left their respective parties and formed a new one. Pie in the sky I know, but The Tories have bungled the whole Brexit thing, and we've got an old Soviet nostalgist running Labour. We need another choice.

[reece(:]

I wanna know how they differ from the Lib Dems...?

[bitontheslide]

I think the timing of this is no coincidence. While I think there are genuine issues when those with extreme views get control of a party, this has been ongoing with Labour for a while. I believe this is timed to try and get traction for an anti brexit result, so I am skeptical to say the least about their intentions.