[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

Some do want her back to understand
what went wrong.
But it will cost money once she is back
as she will need protecting

Do you REALLY think if she is questioned arista she will tell us the truth ? of course she wont she will say what she thinks will help her, as that is all she seems to care about,she has backtracked already on some things as she knew the truth wasn't doing her any favours, I am not sure I believe the story on the babies either.

[Glenn.]

I’m living for the memes tbh

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Do you REALLY think if she is questioned arista she will tell us the truth ? of course she wont she will say what she thinks will help her, as that is all she seems to care about,she has backtracked already on some things as she knew the truth wasn't doing her any favours, I am not sure I believe the story on the babies either.

Yes that is a problem.

[Cherie]

There was a clip of her on the ITV news saying all the fuss is because she was on TV 4 years ago

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But the government can certainly help in keeping it at the forefront of attention. I think they knew that they couldn't strip her of her citizenship but attempting to do so will dominate the news cycle for a while.

The government doesn't decide what the News will run with as a top story. If you think so you've been misinformed.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I can't say anything of other agendas but whatever's been said about him in the past doesn't change the fact that you've straight up lied about what he has said here and framed him as a terrorist sympathiser in this instance for pointing out a fact.

He IS a sympathiser! You can't deny the evidence, Dezzy, unless you're deliberately ignoring it. The clever money would have been on him coming down on the side of the terrorist sympathiser. And guess what? He did.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I’m living for the memes tbh

Some of them are hilarious, some outright racist

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

He IS a sympathiser! You can't deny the evidence, Dezzy, unless you're deliberately ignoring it. The clever money would have been on him coming down on the side of the terrorist sympathiser. And guess what? He did.

Dezzy is too used to rail roading his opinions home and silencing those who have a different opinion to him.

He likes to use the word agenda and thinks we are trying to bring him down.

I will add that I don’t want to see children die, but a child that is filled with hate by its parents will grow into an adult filled with hate.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

The government doesn't decide what the News will run with as a top story. If you think so you've been misinformed.

If you think that they don't know certain actions will keep a story alive and certain actions will kill a story then you're the one that's misinformed. The timing is advantageous and this would have been a story for a day or two in the normal news cycle but the government's actions are keeping the story alive. The whole back and forth over her citizenship is a way to keep the story alive. This government have shown in the past that they aren't too fussed about british IS fighters returning (The manchester arena bombing wouldn't have happened if they did), the only reason they're making a deal of it now is because it suits them to do so.

Originally Posted by Livia

He IS a sympathiser! You can't deny the evidence, Dezzy, unless you're deliberately ignoring it. The clever money would have been on him coming down on the side of the terrorist sympathiser. And guess what? He did.

Re-read the post you quoted, Livia.

I'm not ignoring anything, I just don't care about Corbyn any more, I care little about either Labour or Tories at this point but in this instance that Adam straight up lied about, he wasn't showing support to the IS bride, he was simply stating international law and his worry that this could set a precedent that could be abused. I can't speak for other accusations but in this instant, he is certainly not being sympathetic towards her.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Dezzy is too used to rail roading his opinions home and silencing those who have a different opinion to him.

He likes to use the word agenda and thinks we are trying to bring him down.

I will add that I don’t want to see children die, but a child that is filled with hate by its parents will grow into an adult filled with hate.

I'm just gonna leave this here.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Point out to me where I told you what you can and can't post. Go on, I'm waiting.

I've made multiple posts in this thread in which I've asked you to show me where I've denied you your opinion or where I've told you you can't post and you've failed to do so every time but that's not stopped you from shoving words down my throat or throwing out false accusations.

Before you make up other **** about me, at least attempt to back it up to give it some validity.

The truth of the matter is that you can't handle a bit of debate, I've challenged your views and you don't like that and so you're trying to drag me through the mud through claiming I've censored your views or denied you your opinion when in fact, all I've done is offer a different opinion that you yourself can't accept.

[Cherie]

Well thought out article here

he government’s decision to strip Shamima Begum of her citizenship is a step in the right direction. Shamima and her fellow young jihadis have been turned ideologically, and become moving ticking bombs. It is a difficult judgment to make. As a committed defender of human rights, and a migrant myself, my first thoughts were for a fair trial for Begum in the UK. But as a Muslim, I understand too the radically dangerous implications of remaining silent.

Allowing Begum and other radicalised Britons a safe path back home from areas previously controlled by Isis in Syria and elsewhere is naive and will put our society at severe risk. I learnt that through personal experience.

A couple of people in my extended family have been turned in the past. They paid allegiance to Osama bin Laden, carried weapons and fought the authorities in the Middle East. That happened more than 20 years ago. They were young and brainwashed (just like Begum), and they paid a heavy cost for it. However, up until now they have not witnessed any ideological or mental change – not one bit


https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8788171.html

[reece(:]

I'm losing the will

https://www.facebook.com/ainsleyn1n2...37590546317848

[Underscore]

Youtube video

[Twosugars]

how come Trump is taking US jihadists back?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

how come Trump is taking US jihadists back?

Don't they go straight to Guantanamo? whereas here the go straight to top of the housing list

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Don't they go straight to Guantanamo? whereas here the go straight to top of the housing list

I saw speculation that the ones we refused to take back could be taken in by America and se t straight to their as they have like 200 free spaces or something

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Do you REALLY think if she is questioned arista she will tell us the truth ? of course she wont she will say what she thinks will help her, as that is all she seems to care about,she has backtracked already on some things as she knew the truth wasn't doing her any favours, I am not sure I believe the story on the babies either.

2 babies both died of malnutrition ? Naah Im not having that !!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Don't they go straight to Guantanamo? whereas here the go straight to top of the housing list

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

2 babies both died of malnutrition ? Naah Im not having that !!

Most likely scenario is that she failed at breastfeeding them and they had a lack of formula and were feeding it heavily watered down. A lot of babies in the ME / Africa / parts of Asia and South America die from malnutrition that way, sadly.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Don't they go straight to Guantanamo? whereas here the go straight to top of the housing list

why do they go straight to top of the housing list?
it used to be that people blamed EU for things to do with immigration and perceived preferential treatment of immigrants
what will happen after brexit? who will they blame?
I thought it's the policy of hostile evironment for immigrants now

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Most likely scenario is that she failed at breastfeeding them and they had a lack of formula and were feeding it heavily watered down. A lot of babies in the ME / Africa / parts of Asia and South America die from malnutrition that way, sadly.

Makes you wonder why she won’t let her baby be taken to the UK, she has refused point blank to let him go when asked if she would

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Makes you wonder why she won’t let her baby be taken to the UK, she has refused point blank to let him go when asked if she would

The baby is not UK's responsibility he's Syrian,not British

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I saw speculation that the ones we refused to take back could be taken in by America and se t straight to their as they have like 200 free spaces or something

That's sorted then, what's the issue?

[Denver]

Her father supports the decision to strip her British Nationality

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Makes you wonder why she won’t let her baby be taken to the UK, she has refused point blank to let him go when asked if she would

I can understand not wanting to be seperated from your child. However, if there is a large chance the child will die, surely you would want them to be as safe as possible. I think she might be using the baby for the sympathy vote too tbh.

[Tom4784]

That's something that bothers me too.

She has lost two children already, I think most parents in her situation would be begging Britain to help her child even if it means being separated from him. Parenting is sacrifice and I think a lot of parents would give their child away if it guaranteed that child's safety and gave them a chance of living a good life.