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03-03-2019, 01:45 PM | #1 | |||
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03-03-2019, 01:48 PM | #3 | |||
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Well that's radio 2 off my playlist.I will still listen to him afterall it's just hearsay with no proof.Shame they don't ban their license that is a crime against us all.
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03-03-2019, 02:00 PM | #6 | |||
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I find it weird how the victims are like “he groomed the whole world” seems like a bit of a Sensationalist thing to say about someone who molested you
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03-03-2019, 02:01 PM | #7 | |||
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trying to be moral. Its a hard one as some of MJ's music produced by Quincy Jones is Quality music with even Eddie Van Halen on a Guitar solo. |
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03-03-2019, 02:09 PM | #8 | |||
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These are the same 'victims' that stood up for him in court testifying he had not touched them,and out they come years after his death and say the opposite, sorry I don't believe a word of it.There has been a witch hunt against him for years and seems there still is.
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RIP Pyramid, Andyman ,Kerry and Lex xx https://www.facebook.com/JamesBulgerMT/?fref=photo "If slaughterhouses had glass walls, most people would be vegetarian" |
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03-03-2019, 02:15 PM | #9 | |||
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His music did nothing wrong.
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03-03-2019, 02:28 PM | #10 | |||
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i think plenty people want to make money out of him and aren't trustworthy. However Jackson was seriously dodgy, that just cant be denied.
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03-03-2019, 02:36 PM | #11 | |||
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I agree ,he was a strange person in some ways , he was very childlike himself . but that doesn't prove he was a peado , just that he was very eccentric and different , amazing talent that some people seem to have always wanted to destroy . Very unfair now that he is dead aswell .
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RIP Pyramid, Andyman ,Kerry and Lex xx https://www.facebook.com/JamesBulgerMT/?fref=photo "If slaughterhouses had glass walls, most people would be vegetarian" |
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03-03-2019, 02:54 PM | #13 | |||
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I find it strange that the family of one of the alleged victims accepted £15million and signed a non-disclosure agreement. So I hope the Jackson family will be seeking reimbursement because all I've heard so far against Jackson is hearsay, uncorroborated claims and that he paid people not to go to the press. That doesn't make him guilty. He was odd, I think everyone can agree with that... but I still don't believe there was any abuse, and until I see hard evidence I'm keeping off bandwagon. I remember the furore when Cliff Richard was arrested, at least he was able to provide evidence against the claims. But why, like in this case, wait till people are dead?
As for the BBC, I remember the appalling coverage of Cliff Richard's investigation that the BBC thought was acceptable... and it cost them several million. It was a knee jerk reaction from the BBC because it had allowed Saville to prey on kids for decades. Now they're playing it safe. |
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03-03-2019, 03:00 PM | #14 | ||
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I'm unsure what to think of it all tbh.
I believe victims should always be heard but I can't deny that the story of these alleged victims is made dubious by the fact that they previously stood up for him, not as children who could have still been under his sway had they been groomed. but as adults who would have carried that pain around and would have been put under a microscope for coming to MJ's defense. It's a difficult one, I hope that these guys can find peace somehow in case their story is true because I don't think they'll ever get true justice simply because they've given people reason to doubt them. |
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03-03-2019, 03:36 PM | #15 | ||
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He wasn't convicted though, I think it's a bit much to stop playing his music.
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03-03-2019, 04:35 PM | #16 | |||
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Horrible man...feal sorry for him if the stories about him being buggered as a child are true..but to then go onto gods knows what as an adult just makes me hate him for the sick pedo he is...one of the worst kind cause he knows the pain.
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03-03-2019, 04:39 PM | #17 | |||
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RIP Pyramid, Andyman ,Kerry and Lex xx https://www.facebook.com/JamesBulgerMT/?fref=photo "If slaughterhouses had glass walls, most people would be vegetarian" Last edited by Kazanne; 03-03-2019 at 04:40 PM. |
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03-03-2019, 08:01 PM | #18 | ||
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Don't get me started on the licence fee however, that's been my one big hate since I realised one was needed. Scrap that thing and get rid of the truly awful TV licensing company. |
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03-03-2019, 08:03 PM | #19 | ||
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Remembering Kerry
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03-03-2019, 08:18 PM | #20 | |||
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Shame the BBC never learned from the Saville or Cliff cases. I 100% believe Michael was just a lost soul and surrounded himself with kids because he related to them because he was never allowed a childhood and was deeply unhappy so just wanted to see other children happy.
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03-03-2019, 08:30 PM | #21 | ||
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I always wanted to believe Whacko was innocent.
I spent alot of my childhood listening to his tunes.My first ever cassette was ‘Bad’ when it had just released. It was a big disappointment when the allegations came out. I suppose nobody can ever know the truth now he’s gone. |
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03-03-2019, 08:34 PM | #22 | |||
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I believe he was an absolute nonce (and the “he didn’t have a childhood” excuse is bogus) but that’s not going to stop me listening to his music. He was a great artist.
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03-03-2019, 08:55 PM | #23 | |||
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Welcome to our current social norms:
Accused of sexual misconduct Put on trial Cleared of charges Dies Reaccused Found guilty in the court of public perception I just dont know what the point of any of it is now
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03-03-2019, 11:06 PM | #25 | |||
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All hail the Moyesiah
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I'm kinda surprised at the support for him tbh: combine everything - all the things he definitely said and did, all the reports of people about what they saw and all the testimonies of those who were abused - and it's obvious that the most likely conclusion is that he did abuse young boys
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