[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

tbh irish people were only recently granted 'whiteness'

It'll be revoked in Brexit

[Northern Monkey]

Why does it have to turn into some left vs right argument?

I’m sure everyone agrees that this is not a good thing.No one agrees that killing innocent people is the right course of action.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Adam.

My point is people are only quick to jump to terrorism if it's a Asian person not a white

Oh I know.I have read on here all day about news not saying it..but I've also been stuck in a van all day, listening to the radio describe it as a terrorist act.

I get a breather now and again into someone's house to repair their tv, and guess what..it's BBC or itv news reporting it as a terrorist act!!

Do people mean white racist old men when they say that ****e?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

tbh irish people were only recently granted 'whiteness'

Celts were pretty darn white, and the demographics of Ireland haven't changed hugely since then.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Celts were pretty darn white, and the demographics of Ireland haven't changed hugely since then.

That's not exactly what he meant though

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Celts were pretty darn white, and the demographics of Ireland haven't changed hugely since then.

yeah they've always looked the same but our idea of who is and isn't white has changed so much over the years.

[armand.kay]

race seems to concrete to us but it's actually such a flimsy concept

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Celts were pretty darn white, and the demographics of Ireland haven't changed hugely since then.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's not exactly what he meant though

Are you referring to me?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

race seems to concrete to us but it's actually such a flimsy concept

That sounds interesting, can you expand a little.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Are you referring to me?

No, Armand

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No, Armand

Oh, always thought armand was an Amanda. .carry on.x

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by parmnion

That sounds interesting, can you expand a little.

Race isn't biological it's a social construct, we're all human at the end of the day. The idea of race as we know it only came about during the slave trade and later on with the study of eugenics. Irish people were never considered to be white until later on. Even now someones race can differ depending on where they are in the world, a mixed race person in America will still be seen as black while in the uk acknowledge they're mixed more. In Africa theres also a whole load of different ethnic groups that anywhere else in the world would all be seen as black but in their respective countries they view each other as a different races.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

ISIS/Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups, caused this tbh


that hatred towards muslims in general


very sad those terrorist groups themselves are a disgrace for their own religion, cause not all muslims are terrorists

That’s like saying the Western World caused ISIS due to their involvement and innocent casualties in the Middle East.

[arista]

['Many more would have died': Hero mosque worker grabs
NZ Terrorist attacker's gun
Witnesses described how a young mosque
worker grabbed the attacker's gun
and forced him to flee the scene. ]


https://news.sky.com/story/many-more...s-gun-11666492

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Race isn't biological it's a social construct, we're all human at the end of the day. The idea of race as we know it only came about during the slave trade and later on with the study of eugenics. Irish people were never considered to be white until later on. Even now someones race can differ depending on where they are in the world, a mixed race person in America will still be seen as black while in the uk acknowledge they're mixed more. In Africa theres also a whole load of different ethnic groups that anywhere else in the world would all be seen as black but in their respective countries they view each other as a different races.

So why is it that white people for want of a better phrase always get the most anger aimed at them for being what is described as racist these days?

Is it merely down to there being more white people in the world, so by mere numerical supremecy they will always considered to be the most racist due to their colour and perhaps sex n age?


Took me ages to digest your post..thank you.

[Oliver_W]

There are differences between the races which are physical so nothing to do with society, so to call it entirely socially constructed is a bit GCSE Sociology tbh.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So why is it that white people for want of a better phrase always get the most anger aimed at them for being what is described as racist these days?

Is it merely down to there being more white people in the world, so by mere numerical supremecy they will always considered to be the most racist due to their colour and perhaps sex n age?


Took me ages to digest your post..thank you.

Aren't there more Asians than white people in the world?

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8825541.html

Hours after dozens of people were killed in an attack on two mosques in New Zealand, a man was attacked "with a hammer" outside an east London mosque.

A group of three men shouted Islamaphobic abuse as they drove past the place of worship on Cannon Street Road, eyewitnesses said.

They called people attending Friday prayers “terrorists”, they added.

A few worshippers followed the blue car, only for the men to climb out of the vehicle and attack one of them with a weapon, thought to be a hammer. Police said the 27-year-old victim sustained head injuries.

The two groups fought before the men climbed back into the car and drove away.

In a clip filmed by a witness, one of the alleged attackers can be seen clinging to the car's bonnet in an attempt to get away.

"The suspects returned to their car and left the scene before police arrived," a spokesperson for London's Metropolitan Police said, adding that officers were called to the scene at around 1pm on Friday afternoon. Enquiries are ongoing to trace this vehicle. The suspects are all described as white men, believed to be aged in their 20s."

The London Ambulance Service was called but the 27-year-old victim was driven to an east London hospital by friends instead.

"At hospital, it was established that the victim had sustained a head injury, which was not believed to be serious," the spokesperson added.

"However, he was abusive towards hospital staff, and left the hospital without being treated. Investigations are ongoing and officers have not identified any motive for the attack."

No arrests have yet been made.

The alleged assault occurred the same day 49 Muslims were killed in a terrorist attack at two mosques in New Zealand.

Following the New Zealand attack police officers in the UK stepped up patrols around mosques on Friday.

Officers were deployed to provide reassurance and advice on protective security as Muslims attended Friday prayers around the country.

"Whilst there is no intelligence linking these appalling events in Christchurch to the UK, additional uniform patrols will continue in London and nationally over the coming days, focusing on places of worship and specific communities," Neil Basu, the national policing lead for counter-terrorism, said.

"We are paying specific attention to Mosques, particularly Friday prayers.

"Many communities will be understandably concerned and local officers will be out and about providing reassurance and protective security advice to communities, places of worship and businesses."

Sajid Javid, the Home Secretary, is also due to hold talks with anti-terrorism chiefs and security officials to discuss possible further measures to protect mosques in the UK.

[Moniqua]

i am appalled

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8825541.html

Hours after dozens of people were killed in an attack on two mosques in New Zealand, a man was attacked "with a hammer" outside an east London mosque.

A group of three men shouted Islamaphobic abuse as they drove past the place of worship on Cannon Street Road, eyewitnesses said.

They called people attending Friday prayers “terrorists”, they added.

A few worshippers followed the blue car, only for the men to climb out of the vehicle and attack one of them with a weapon, thought to be a hammer. Police said the 27-year-old victim sustained head injuries.

The two groups fought before the men climbed back into the car and drove away.

In a clip filmed by a witness, one of the alleged attackers can be seen clinging to the car's bonnet in an attempt to get away.

"The suspects returned to their car and left the scene before police arrived," a spokesperson for London's Metropolitan Police said, adding that officers were called to the scene at around 1pm on Friday afternoon. Enquiries are ongoing to trace this vehicle. The suspects are all described as white men, believed to be aged in their 20s."

The London Ambulance Service was called but the 27-year-old victim was driven to an east London hospital by friends instead.

"At hospital, it was established that the victim had sustained a head injury, which was not believed to be serious," the spokesperson added.

"However, he was abusive towards hospital staff, and left the hospital without being treated. Investigations are ongoing and officers have not identified any motive for the attack."

No arrests have yet been made.

The alleged assault occurred the same day 49 Muslims were killed in a terrorist attack at two mosques in New Zealand.

Following the New Zealand attack police officers in the UK stepped up patrols around mosques on Friday.

Officers were deployed to provide reassurance and advice on protective security as Muslims attended Friday prayers around the country.

"Whilst there is no intelligence linking these appalling events in Christchurch to the UK, additional uniform patrols will continue in London and nationally over the coming days, focusing on places of worship and specific communities," Neil Basu, the national policing lead for counter-terrorism, said.

"We are paying specific attention to Mosques, particularly Friday prayers.

"Many communities will be understandably concerned and local officers will be out and about providing reassurance and protective security advice to communities, places of worship and businesses."

Sajid Javid, the Home Secretary, is also due to hold talks with anti-terrorism chiefs and security officials to discuss possible further measures to protect mosques in the UK.

tbh that deserves its own thread. gross behaviour.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Aren't there more Asians than white people in the world?

If there is then I want to change it to levels of terrorism used for my argument.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Race isn't biological it's a social construct, we're all human at the end of the day. The idea of race as we know it only came about during the slave trade and later on with the study of eugenics. Irish people were never considered to be white until later on. Even now someones race can differ depending on where they are in the world, a mixed race person in America will still be seen as black while in the uk acknowledge they're mixed more. In Africa theres also a whole load of different ethnic groups that anywhere else in the world would all be seen as black but in their respective countries they view each other as a different races.

This ideology is quite confusing.Race is obviously biological.
How people of different races treat each other though,Yes is sociological.
However tribalism as unpleasant as it can be,is a natural trait.
It’s seen all across the animal kingdom including humans.
It is true to say that tribalism doesn’t just cross racial lines but is also reflected in geographical origin.
Hopefully one day humans will evolve past tribalism if we survive long enough.
But to say race is a social construct is confusing and inaccurate.

[Cherie]

Inadvertently seen some footage of this that was sent to me on whatapp, those poor people and the absolute terror they must have felt

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So why is it that white people for want of a better phrase always get the most anger aimed at them for being what is described as racist these days?

Is it merely down to there being more white people in the world, so by mere numerical supremecy they will always considered to be the most racist due to their colour and perhaps sex n age?


Took me ages to digest your post..thank you.

now let me think

who invaded and colonised most of non-white countries? whites
who treated the indigenous populations as inferior and expoited them? whites
who established slave-trade and supremacist ideologies like nazism? whites