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Old 21-03-2019, 09:15 AM #1
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Default Andrea Leadsom - parents should be free to bar their children from LGBT education



The Leader of the House was on LBC as she was asked whether she agreed with the parents
who have removed their children from lessons in school teaching about gay and lesbian relationships.

She said she was pleased that her own children were taught about it, but it was her choice of
words when saying parents should be able to opt out of the classes that raised eyebrows.

Speaking to Nick Ferrari, she said: "I think that it's right that the government should have passed
legislation that requires that relationships and sex education is taught in schools.

"But at the same time, I also agree that it's right that parents should be able to choose the moment
at which their children become exposed to that information.


"And there are steps taken to enable parents to withdraw their children from classes up to a certain age."





Gay MP LLyod Russell-Molye was not happy and had a go at her in the Commons over her words.
Lloyd Russell-Moyle criticised Andrea Leadsom after she said parents should decide when their
children were "exposed" to the lessons.

He also attacked "bigots that don't want LGBT people to be heard in schools".

Some Birmingham schools have stopped LGBT rights classes after protests.

Parkfield Community School, in the city, said it would not resume the lessons until a
resolution had been reached with parents.

In a statement on Wednesday, the school said it was planning to "evolve" its equalities
teaching "in collaboration with parents".




Those who are adamant that homosexuality is morally wrong strongly feel that the Equality Act
should protect their religious beliefs.


However, for the LGBT community, "alarmed" is the word often being used to convey feeling both
here in Birmingham and around the country, and they believe their human rights are being abused
by schools who have stopped teaching children about same sex couples.

And now the row is spreading. In Greater Manchester, the BBC understands hundreds of parents
have sent letters to schools asking for their children to be removed from sex education lessons.

As the dispute escalates, so does the tension around this controversial topic.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47643119

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...-exposed-lgbt/

Did she have a point?
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the purpose of school education is to gain basic knowledge and understanding of the world so that people can take their place in society. Children can specialise later in their schooling, thats fine, but they should all get the fundamental basics.

It's not for me to define fundamental basics, that's what school boards and authorities are for, but once they have decided, there should be no exclusions from that curriculum.
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And she's right !! It is the parents right to say what their children should be subjected to

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Those who are adamant that homosexuality is morally wrong strongly feel that the Equality Act should protect their religious beliefs.

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They can decide exactly. Just take your child out of school and live in a bubble
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They can decide exactly. Just take your child out of school and live in a bubble
Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission
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This entire thing is disturbing and I’m appalled that this bull**** hasn’t been amply challenged
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Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission
It’s not sex education it’s about LGBT RELATIONSHIPS not how they have sex
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They can decide exactly. Just take your child out of school and live in a bubble
I agree with that, it's up to schools to decide their curriculum and if a parent doesn't like the content, they DO have a choice, as they can choose private education or home schooling.
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Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission
Protect them from what? You do realise that gay people aren't radioactive?

Your views are SO out of fashion it's almost amusing.
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I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice
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I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice
Why would you not want your children to learn about a normal
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I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice
Education is to educate, not to protect the beliefs of parents.
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I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice
Dictatorship parenting is a choice and making sex some sort of horrific dirty secret is a bad one. Why would you hide from your children how humans are made?
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So she is basically saying that children don’t learn about it until they are of a suitable age anyhow.
Makes sense to me.
I certainly wouldn’t want my kids growing up in ignorance of the reality and normality of LGBT.
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Dictatorship parenting is a choice and making sex some sort of horrific dirty secret is a bad one. Why would you hide from your children how humans are made?
MY children, MY choice
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MY children, MY choice
So you keep pointlessly saying. They are human beings capable of their own choices and you know what? They're going to go out and find out about sex for themselves whether or not you've decided they're ready for it or not.
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I'm a flat earther, so my children will not be attending physics lessons.
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It’s not sex education it’s about LGBT RELATIONSHIPS not how they have sex
Do they love eachother differently from everyone else like?
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It should definitely be normalised like straight relationships are in media and education etc.
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It should definitely be normalised like straight relationships are in media and education etc.
Agreed and taught that its a very small minority that is affected, numbers and perspective is very important in education.
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Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission
There’s a difference between sex education and relationship education silly.
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Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission
Surely it's important for them to learn about sex before they become teenagers, as they need to be educated about protection, and the risks. Also, I remember being a kid, and I'm pretty sure I understood what sex was when I was in year 2. Kids are much smarter than you think, children can be know about sex and still have a happy, innocent childhood.
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Surely it's important for them to learn about sex before they become teenagers, as they need to be educated about protection, and the risks. Also, I remember being a kid, and I'm pretty sure I understood what sex was when I was in year 2. Kids are much smarter than you think, children can be know about sex and still have a happy, innocent childhood.
It's hilarious coming from someone with a baby smoking in a gif as their avatar and someone who is forever shouting about the "snowflake generation" and yet wants to wrap their kids in cotton wool with no interest in an alternative when it comes to something as normal and natural as sex. Hypocrisy much?
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It's a big problem in an area with a high Muslim population. Moderate Muslims aren't as plentiful as they sometimes seem when it comes to dealing with homosexuality, women's right, that kind of thing.
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