[BBDodge]

I don't think the show would dare make Dany mad as we already have a mad queen on the throne.

Two of them would be lazy writing.

And having a nice, sane, male hero come in to take the throne instead would be a massive let-down.

[Scarlett.]

Yes, Dany is only just becoming the Mad Queen

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Totally out of nowhere development

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Nobody could have seen this coming

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Never could imagine Danaerys turning cruel when she can't get her way

[RileyH]

missandei

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Yes, Dany is only just becoming the Mad Queen

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Totally out of nowhere development

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Nobody could have seen this coming

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Never could imagine Danaerys turning cruel when she can't get her way

You’ve got to be delusional if you think this ending serves the story, Its not even about dany going mad, it's about the plot literally bending so that it could fit the dany going mad narrative, when literally nothing justifies it. You spend 7 seasons with her learning about her father, about controlling her impulses, and apparently she just has a massive personality shift in two episodes.

You obviously have the fact that none of this feels earned. Her losing her armies was unrealistic (why the **** would thousands of Dothraki charge into darkness) Her losing her dragons (Rhaegal at least) was done in an extremely non sensical way (as if she couldn’t see those ships from so high above?). Everyone betraying her for what? Varys because he feels like jon would be a better ruler because he doesn't want to be one, despite literally going against robert for being the damn same thing? Her character is being butchered.*

The clips you posted - the nobles of mereen were behind the sons of the harpies, the people who were trying to kill her/her army and put thousands of people back into slavery, she kills them and apparently that’s a sign of madness? She should have let them live? Allowed them to kill thousands of innocents and enslave thousands more

It's hypocritical for people to jump at her while giving everyone else free passes. And the "my way" choice that she lays on the floor for the Tarlys is extremely fair, just and comes with no consequence other than to pledge fielty to her. Why shouldn't she burn her WAR prisioners, those who literally betrayed their leige lords (The North Remembers!!!! but **** that because we must make DANY seem like a MAD QUEEN!) and those who refuse to bend their knees when they've just lost a war and are at the mercy of the winner? She has no purpose for them. Why keep them alive? So she can have more knives in her back? It’s not like any other winner of a battle would even give them that option.

In Quarth she was betrayed by a close friend, why the hell wouldn’t she punish them? Arya poisons hundreds of people to avenge her family, nobody bats an eyelid, Jon beheads a man for not following orders and nobody cares because he’s a man, but dany locks away someone she thought she could trust and she’s the mad queen?

The whole concept that she’s becoming paranoid is ridiculous because she’s completely right in what she’s thinking, they are against her, they cheer Jon for riding HER dragon even though she’s been doing for years, she bends over backwards to protect the north and not even a thank you, Sansa acting like a spoilt BRAT still! Its bad writing because it's not "madness'', it's fear and anger and for all the right reasons, she’s lost two of her children, half of her army, her closest advisor and her best friend of course she’s going to be pushed to breaking point, that’s not madness that’s natural. She’s had years of character development listening to her council, not acting on impulse, proving that she would be a good leader and it’s ruined with 1 episode with them falsely, without any reason, accusing her of being temperamental or losing her mind.

Cersei blows up a sept killing hundreds of innocent people but Dany who literally wants to do nothing but break the wheel of tyranny is the mad queen, yeah ok sis listening to her council, not acting on impulse, proving that she would be a good leader and it’s ruined with 1 episode with them falsely, without any reason, accusing her of being temperamental or losing her mind.

Cersei blows up a sept killing hundreds of innocent people but Dany who literally wants to do nothing but break the wheel of tyranny is the mad queen, yeah ok sis

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You’ve got to be delusional if you think this ending serves the story, Its not even about dany going mad, it's about the plot literally bending so that it could fit the dany going mad narrative, when literally nothing justifies it. You spend 7 seasons with her learning about her father, about controlling her impulses, and apparently she just has a massive personality shift in two episodes.

You obviously have the fact that none of this feels earned. Her losing her armies was unrealistic (why the **** would thousands of Dothraki charge into darkness) Her losing her dragons (Rhaegal at least) was done in an extremely non sensical way (as if she couldn’t see those ships from so high above?). Everyone betraying her for what? Varys because he feels like jon would be a better ruler because he doesn't want to be one, despite literally going against robert for being the damn same thing? Her character is being butchered.*

The clips you posted - the nobles of mereen were behind the sons of the harpies, the people who were trying to kill her/her army and put thousands of people back into slavery, she kills them and apparently that’s a sign of madness? She should have let them live? Allowed them to kill thousands of innocents and enslave thousands more

It's hypocritical for people to jump at her while giving everyone else free passes. And the "my way" choice that she lays on the floor for the Tarlys is extremely fair, just and comes with no consequence other than to pledge fielty to her. Why shouldn't she burn her WAR prisioners, those who literally betrayed their leige lords (The North Remembers!!!! but **** that because we must make DANY seem like a MAD QUEEN!) and those who refuse to bend their knees when they've just lost a war and are at the mercy of the winner? She has no purpose for them. Why keep them alive? So she can have more knives in her back? It’s not like any other winner of a battle would even give them that option.

In Quarth she was betrayed by a close friend, why the hell wouldn’t she punish them? Arya poisons hundreds of people to avenge her family, nobody bats an eyelid, Jon beheads a man for not following orders and nobody cares because he’s a man, but dany locks away someone she thought she could trust and she’s the mad queen?

The whole concept that she’s becoming paranoid is ridiculous because she’s completely right in what she’s thinking, they are against her, they cheer Jon for riding HER dragon even though she’s been doing for years, she bends over backwards to protect the north and not even a thank you, Sansa acting like a spoilt BRAT still! Its bad writing because it's not "madness'', it's fear and anger and for all the right reasons, she’s lost two of her children, half of her army, her closest advisor and her best friend of course she’s going to be pushed to breaking point, that’s not madness that’s natural. She’s had years of character development listening to her council, not acting on impulse, proving that she would be a good leader and it’s ruined with 1 episode with them falsely, without any reason, accusing her of being temperamental or losing her mind.

Cersei blows up a sept killing hundreds of innocent people but Dany who literally wants to do nothing but break the wheel of tyranny is the mad queen, yeah ok sis listening to her council, not acting on impulse, proving that she would be a good leader and it’s ruined with 1 episode with them falsely, without any reason, accusing her of being temperamental or losing her mind.

Cersei blows up a sept killing hundreds of innocent people but Dany who literally wants to do nothing but break the wheel of tyranny is the mad queen, yeah ok sis

Except Dany didn't know if the nobles she fed to the dragon were actually guilty or not, she didn't care

The Tarly's shouldn't have been burned alive for refusing to bend the knee, beheaded maybe, or just taken prisoner, when it comes down to it, they were only staying loyal to the actual current Queen.

The two who were locked in the safe, fair enough, even though it is a bit cruel still.

There was also the time she crucified the masters, hundreds of people, who may have deserved it, but yet again, cruel.

She burned all the Khals alive in Vaes Dothrak

She let her own brother be killed by having molten gold poured onto his head

Jon Snow however, beheaded Janos Slynt because he broke his vows to the Night's Watch, and he was given a swift and painless death, Jon Snow was MURDERED and gave his killers a swift death, he shot Mance Rayder with a bow to prevent him having to suffer being burned to death.

It's funny that Dany's preferred method of execution is one method she cannot physically suffer. I'm not saying she doesn't have her reasons for going down this path, but, she isn't the only one who has suffered, you could make a similar case for anyone. Fact is, if Dany kills the innocents at the Red Keep next week, that is when she will truly become the Mad Queen. Maybe she will, maybe she wont.

[Denver]

Dany needs to die and take Jon with her

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Except Dany didn't know if the nobles she fed to the dragon were actually guilty or not, she didn't care

The Tarly's shouldn't have been burned alive for refusing to bend the knee, beheaded maybe, or just taken prisoner, when it comes down to it, they were only staying loyal to the actual current Queen.

The two who were locked in the safe, fair enough, even though it is a bit cruel still.

There was also the time she crucified the masters, hundreds of people, who may have deserved it, but yet again, cruel.

She burned all the Khals alive in Vaes Dothrak

She let her own brother be killed by having molten gold poured onto his head

Jon Snow however, beheaded Janos Slynt because he broke his vows to the Night's Watch, and he was given a swift and painless death, Jon Snow was MURDERED and gave his killers a swift death, he shot Mance Rayder with a bow to prevent him having to suffer being burned to death.

It's funny that Dany's preferred method of execution is one method she cannot physically suffer. I'm not saying she doesn't have her reasons for going down this path, but, she isn't the only one who has suffered, you could make a similar case for anyone. Fact is, if Dany kills the innocents at the Red Keep next week, that is when she will truly become the Mad Queen. Maybe she will, maybe she wont.

Well when it was proven in battle of the bastards that it was the masters that were behind it then it doesn’t matter? She was right, she didn’t execute anyone unfairly, I think you’re forgetting she literally CHAINED UP HER DRAGONS out of fear of them killing somebody, what kind of MaD QuEeN does that?! It doesn’t work, she’s a good person, she’s trying to protect people.

Erm actually if you remember house Tarly was loyal to house Tyrell who were Targaryen supporters, Randall Tarly defied Olenna to support Cersei (who’s only queen because she murdered hundreds of people and caused her son to commit suicide - hardly an argument for why he should be loyal to the current queen), we’ve seen that in the direct line of fire of Dragon Fire, people are reduced to ashes in seconds, it’s probably as painless as being beheaded, the body wouldn’t have time to react to the pain, before its destroyed.

She crucified the masters because they crucified innocent children? If your argument is she’s going mad because she retaliated in the same manner as the masters it’s not very strong

She burned alive a bunch of men who wanted to keep her prisoner in Vaes Dothrak, they would have kept her raped her and used her as a brood mare, she isn’t a fighter, why shouldn’t she use a skill she has to kill them and escape? It’s not like she could have argued her point, honestly a ridiculous argument.

A quote from her brother “I would let his whole tribe **** you- all 40,000 men and their horses too if that's what it took.” He also threatens to kill her unborn child, there can’t be bloodshed at Vaes Dothrak so that was one of the few ways to kill him without doing so.

The reaches people go to, to try and fit this mad queen narrative is exhausting, everything she has done has been with reason, nothing has been a snap judgement which has resulted in the death of innocent people, unlike her father who burned people alive for fun. Her punishments have been harsh, but that is the same of any monarch EVER in this show.

They’re quite clearly pushing for the mad queen narrative based on this episode alone, but my argument is that it’s completely out of character and unjustified, the show is a shadow of its earlier seasons and a complete embarrassment now that they haven’t got George’s material to base it off of. The fact this episode is the lowest rated of all time just goes to prove that. And if Daenerys does go “mad queen” next week, most people would argue that it’s justified considering what has happened to her over the past 5 episodes, it comes from a place of anger and hurt not because of her bloodline.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Well when it was proven in battle of the bastards that it was the masters that were behind it then it doesn’t matter? She was right, she didn’t execute anyone unfairly, I think you’re forgetting she literally CHAINED UP HER DRAGONS out of fear of them killing somebody, what kind of MaD QuEeN does that?! It doesn’t work, she’s a good person, she’s trying to protect people.

Erm actually if you remember house Tarly was loyal to house Tyrell who were Targaryen supporters, Randall Tarly defied Olenna to support Cersei (who’s only queen because she murdered hundreds of people and caused her son to commit suicide - hardly an argument for why he should be loyal to the current queen), we’ve seen that in the direct line of fire of Dragon Fire, people are reduced to ashes in seconds, it’s probably as painless as being beheaded, the body wouldn’t have time to react to the pain, before its destroyed.

She crucified the masters because they crucified innocent children? If your argument is she’s going mad because she retaliated in the same manner as the masters it’s not very strong

She burned alive a bunch of men who wanted to keep her prisoner in Vaes Dothrak, they would have kept her raped her and used her as a brood mare, she isn’t a fighter, why shouldn’t she use a skill she has to kill them and escape? It’s not like she could have argued her point, honestly a ridiculous argument.

A quote from her brother “I would let his whole tribe **** you- all 40,000 men and their horses too if that's what it took.” He also threatens to kill her unborn child, there can’t be bloodshed at Vaes Dothrak so that was one of the few ways to kill him without doing so.

The reaches people go to, to try and fit this mad queen narrative is exhausting, everything she has done has been with reason, nothing has been a snap judgement which has resulted in the death of innocent people, unlike her father who burned people alive for fun. Her punishments have been harsh, but that is the same of any monarch EVER in this show.

They’re quite clearly pushing for the mad queen narrative based on this episode alone, but my argument is that it’s completely out of character and unjustified, the show is a shadow of its earlier seasons and a complete embarrassment now that they haven’t got George’s material to base it off of. The fact this episode is the lowest rated of all time just goes to prove that. And if Daenerys does go “mad queen” next week, most people would argue that it’s justified considering what has happened to her over the past 5 episodes, it comes from a place of anger and hurt not because of her bloodline.

The point is, a ruler shouldn't just go around burning all their subjects, the Mad King was known for doing that, there are better ways, but she always seems to choose the cruelest punishment options. For all the talk of breaking the wheel, she seems pretty intent on carrying on where her family left off.

Also sounds like the Tarly's had time to react

[Toy Soldier]

I personally think we're supposed to think that Daenerys is becoming a tyrant and power mad but that she's just doing whatever it takes to get the Iron Throne... But when she gets it, she will dismantle it and create a sort of "commonwealth" of the seven kingdoms with no single overlord. She just hasn't told ANYONE what she plans to do as she fears that would be detrimental to the plan... She'll only tip her hand once she has the power.

This is backed up by more or less "friendly" characters becoming the heads of houses...

Yara Greyjoy has taken the Iron Islands, Gendry has been named a Baratheon, when Cersei dies either Jaime or Tyrion (if Jaime dies) will be head of the Lannisters, Sansa will likely lead The North and will be happy once its free, its been implied also that Sansa has influence over the Arryn kid and thus The Vale, Dorne is already supportive of anyone who will take out Cersei, even the idea that Bronn will lead Highgarden... Etc.

The idea may end up being peaceful cooperation of equal individual states, with a group of leaders working together. It would go with the "breaking of chains" ideology?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Dia.

The point is, a ruler shouldn't just go around burning all their subjects, the Mad King was known for doing that, there are better ways, but she always seems to choose the cruelest punishment options. For all the talk of breaking the wheel, she seems pretty intent on carrying on where her family left off.

Also sounds like the Tarly's had time to react

She hasn’t, she’s killed her enemies, and further to that she isn’t a ruler, if they aren’t going to bend the knee they are going to remain enemies. What is she meant to do? Let them live and potentially kill her again?

Her father was known for killing people for fun and enjoying watching them burn at what point has she enjoyed watching anyone die? She hasn’t. End of discussion there.

how? She hasn’t even had the chance to do anything, the argument is DUMB she’s said numerous times what she wants to accomplish, but apparently she’s mad for trying to accomplish it? The misogyny from the writers and fans of this show is ridiculous.

[bitontheslide]

I think the story is being set up for Varys to be chewed by the dragon. He was warned to speak directly to Dani rather than plot behind her back. Pretty sure thats how he is going to meet his end

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I personally think we're supposed to think that Daenerys is becoming a tyrant and power mad but that she's just doing whatever it takes to get the Iron Throne... But when she gets it, she will dismantle it and create a sort of "commonwealth" of the seven kingdoms with no single overlord. She just hasn't told ANYONE what she plans to do as she fears that would be detrimental to the plan... She'll only tip her hand once she has the power.

This is backed up by more or less "friendly" characters becoming the heads of houses...

Yara Greyjoy has taken the Iron Islands, Gendry has been named a Baratheon, when Cersei dies either Jaime or Tyrion (if Jaime dies) will be head of the Lannisters, Sansa will likely lead The North and will be happy once its free, its been implied also that Sansa has influence over the Arryn kid and thus The Vale, Dorne is already supportive of anyone who will take out Cersei, even the idea that Bronn will lead Highgarden... Etc.

The idea may end up being peaceful cooperation of equal individual states, with a group of leaders working together. It would go with the "breaking of chains" ideology?

Honestly I would enjoy this outcome.

I went off Dani last year but enjoying her again this year, I would hate her becoming a power mad bitch. Leave that **** to Cersie

[Daniel.]

The dany stans are mad huh

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I personally think we're supposed to think that Daenerys is becoming a tyrant and power mad but that she's just doing whatever it takes to get the Iron Throne... But when she gets it, she will dismantle it and create a sort of "commonwealth" of the seven kingdoms with no single overlord. She just hasn't told ANYONE what she plans to do as she fears that would be detrimental to the plan... She'll only tip her hand once she has the power.

This is backed up by more or less "friendly" characters becoming the heads of houses...

Yara Greyjoy has taken the Iron Islands, Gendry has been named a Baratheon, when Cersei dies either Jaime or Tyrion (if Jaime dies) will be head of the Lannisters, Sansa will likely lead The North and will be happy once its free, its been implied also that Sansa has influence over the Arryn kid and thus The Vale, Dorne is already supportive of anyone who will take out Cersei, even the idea that Bronn will lead Highgarden... Etc.

The idea may end up being peaceful cooperation of equal individual states, with a group of leaders working together. It would go with the "breaking of chains" ideology?

This would suck and be far too happy

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

She hasn’t, she’s killed her enemies, and further to that she isn’t a ruler, if they aren’t going to bend the knee they are going to remain enemies. What is she meant to do? Let them live and potentially kill her again?

Her father was known for killing people for fun and enjoying watching them burn at what point has she enjoyed watching anyone die? She hasn’t. End of discussion there.

how? She hasn’t even had the chance to do anything, the argument is DUMB she’s said numerous times what she wants to accomplish, but apparently she’s mad for trying to accomplish it? The misogyny from the writers and fans of this show is ridiculous.

She could have easily sent the Tarly's to the Wall, sure the Night's Watch is gone now, but it wasn't back then. How is it mysogyny? I think Sansa is a great ruler, because she's very much like her mother and father, she's a Stark, who are honorable. Dany burns people alive on the regular, to the point where dracarys is her catchphrase.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Dia.

She could have easily sent the Tarly's to the Wall, sure the Night's Watch is gone now, but it wasn't back then. How is it mysogyny? I think Sansa is a great ruler, because she's very much like her mother and father, she's a Stark, who are honorable. Dany burns people alive on the regular, to the point where dracarys is her catchphrase.

Randall literally said, ‘you cannot send me to the wall. You are not my queen’ so

[Brother Leon]

Dany is slowly finding out that everything she believed in(Being The True Heir and Mother of Dragons that are unstoppable ) is proving to be false. It’s hardly a stretch that she would turn mad when you consider that, her losses and Targaryen blood.

[Brother Leon]

Although, I don’t know why they are acting like Jon is calm and level headed. He’s had his fair share of emotional and stupid decisions and he’s my fave character.

[The Slim Reaper]

Spoiler:

Leaks are actually out for how it all ends. If you really want to know, you don't have to guess.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Randall literally said, ‘you cannot send me to the wall. You are not my queen’ so

I'm sure if a thief said that, they'd get sent there regardless, it's not a choice

[Niamh.]

I hope she isn't turning mad queen even though I don't like her now and haven't for a while I really liked her at the start.

The hound/Arya team though

[reece(:]

I want:

Dany to burn Qyburn's snaky ass
Daario returns to save Dany
Yara ends Euron (worst villain EVER)
Hound to end the Mountain
A brutal Cersei death
Dividing the kingdoms style ending..

[MTVN]

Euron is really the best character left tbh

[MTVN]

So is Jaime going back to Kings Landing to help Cersei? Even though he literally had Bron pointing an arrow at his chest on her orders the night before?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Spoiler:

Leaks are actually out for how it all ends. If you really want to know, you don't have to guess.