[The Slim Reaper]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yep, i also thought the convo between Tyrion and Varys was completely contrived. Ah Jon Snow ... lets now support him, having followed Dani round the globe for years .... it didnt make sense given she had just saved mankind from certain death

I'm a Tyrion fan and I'd have to agree with you on this, although without meaning to sound biased I do think that they've made it worse for Varys who's done a 180 degree turnaround overnight without having second thoughts.

I know that as the show has gotten older that it excels more at battle episodes than actually telling a cohesive story, but the whole Varys and Tyrion being pro-Jon over Dany storyline is yet again more fan fiction for Jon Snow from the TV writers because he is clearly their favourite character and they're not hiding it very well.

[Scarlett.]

Varys has never been devoted to one ruler, he backs who he is best for the realm, it's always been his motive

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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Varys has never been devoted to one ruler, he backs who he is best for the realm, it's always been his motive

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For me personally I'm complaining at the poor buildup and explaination as to why Varys has changed his mind, and I think that's why other people on Social Media and some people that I know IRL have been upset over that particular storyline, he doesn't even know Jon Snow that well.

[Toy Soldier]

I rewatched the first 2 episodes of Season 1 and it really was so much better written, and they failed to capitalise on so much that was set up in those early seasons in later seasons .

Oh plus I forgot that The Hound wasn't even ORDERED to kill Arya's friend he just decided to ride over him with his horse while he was running away and now I think he should go back on Arya's list.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I rewatched the first 2 episodes of Season 1 and it really was so much better written, and they failed to capitalise on so much that was set up in those early seasons in later seasons .

Oh plus I forgot that The Hound wasn't even ORDERED to kill Arya's friend he just decided to ride over him with his horse while he was running away and now I think he should go back on Arya's list.

[Ninastar]

I'm so ****ing mad

[Brother Leon]

Yeah. Sorry, that was ****e..


Smh.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I'm so ****ing mad

Same. I’ve been mostly positive about the season despite other opinions, but...

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What a terrible way they don’t Cersei and Jaime’s death... really? And Arya just magically has a horse appear from the ashes for her to ride out on smh... Even Clegene Bowl couldn’t save it.

[Glenn.]

That was all kinds of messy.

[Brother Leon]

Give Lena Headey all the awards though. Absolute Queen.

[arista]

[Shaun]

I know a lot of fans will be "I told you so!" about the rapid deterioration of this show's writing since, perhaps, season 5 or 6... but that was something else. A ridiculous fireworks display of absolutely no character depth or subtlety.

So many brilliant characters snuffed out with a blink-and-you'll-miss-it. Varys? Gone immediately. Qyburn? Randomly smashed against a wall. The Hound/The Mountain was a brief distraction. Euron/Jamie? A mild fracas on the beach. Cersei, the baddest bitch of them all? Basement collapsed.

Entire new storylines are just thrown away at the drop of a hat. No more golden company, despite knowing nothing about them. Iron Fleet all disappear immediately, unable to do what they did in 5 seconds last week.

I found myself drawn to the mother/daughter that saved Arya but that was about it.. everything else just pissed me off and this show is as dead as every interesting character (bar Arya/Sansa/Tyrion (and obviously Brienne)).

[bitontheslide]

i really enjoyed that episode .... takes all types

[BBDodge]

Well that's 9 years of my life wasted.

[bitontheslide]

For anyone that read "leaks" Did the leaks prove to be correct? I don't need to know details, a yes or no will do

[Shaun]

I saw a small chunk of the leaks and they were correct, yeah... Jamie/Cersei dying together, Varys being burned, Cleganebowl being a stalemate, etc.

Thankfully that's all I saw they were split into like 4 parts.

[Babayaro.]

I'm very 50/50 with that episode.

It was visually incredible and a real rollercoaster,but the more I think about it, the more I hate Jaime and Cersei's death. It felt like a total cop-out. And Euron basically getting a victory was ****e too. I've always disliked his character.

[Ammi]

...brutal episode...


...I guess I just don’t see what it would have added in any value to give Cersei an horrific death..an expected death really...she’s ended, she’s no more..for me the gravity of the moment was there ...

[Shaun]

Their death was one of the few moments in the episode I actually enjoyed; Cersei was always a brilliant character, acted brilliantly, and however she went would always be impactful. Being reduced to admitting she doesn't want to die was quite fitting and a good resolution...

...but I am frustrated with the writing of Jamie. One second he's raping her, next he loves her, then he's abandoning her and fighting with the Starks, falling for Brienne... and then he goes back to die by her side? It was all over the place and there was never any inner monologue to back it up.

The scene with him and Tyrion freeing him was very moving (even if it'll lead to Tyrion's death, IMO) but otherwise he's just been completely unreadable and that's only really a convenient plot device for the writers who've been making it up as they go along. "He's fallen for Brienne, he's a changed man!" Psyche.

Obviously the finale could wrap things up wonderfully but it's just been such a blistering pace and so many characters have been thrown to the scrapheap that you can't help but wonder what the point of it all was. And I know the Daenerys=Mad Queen angle feels new to some of her fans but was hinted at in drips and drabs in the past. It's just... everyone else bar the Starks and her is left up in the air and thrown around at random. Huge political masterminds like Varys and Littlefinger have been executed without fanfare in the past two seasons and at face value it's meant to mean "don't trust snakes" or whatever but... they've served through how many kings/queens exactly and not been stupid enough to start screaming "AEGON TARGARYEN!!!" from the rooftops? Just so frustrating.

Arya & The Hound managing to get into Kings Landing before Dany went all dracarys, as well geographically all over the place.

[The Slim Reaper]

What a ****ing ****show. They've destroyed this show in the last 2 seasons. If they wanted to do something else, they should of handed it off to someone else to finish it. There wouldn't have been any shortage of takers, and GRRM could have made the ultimate decision.

This is just trash now.

[Epic.]

Wtf WAS that?!?

I got up at 2am for this? The long winded and abysmal footage of Daenerys burning innocent lives for no reason overshadowed all the other disappointing things about the episode. None of the deaths were satisfying or well developed, the biggest example being Cersei. We've waited for her death since the FIRST season, and she was even built up as a bigger threat than the Night King. Jaime then gets stabbed several times, somehow manages to reach her, and then dies with her underneath bloody rocks. There's nothing to even enjoy about her death, she had the relief of her brother/lover dying with her so what satisfaction is there that's been anticipated since this season began? You would also think she'd have some plan for the clear disadvantage she had against Daenerys, but all she does is watch, hoping things turn out okay. And this could've been really hated on, but again, WHAT have they done to Daenerys???

In drama TV shows nowadays, there always seems to be a main character you follow their point of view from and how they go about doing terrible actions. And I feel like they were trying to do this with Daenerys. But the difference between her and the Tony Sopranos or Walter Whites is that there's absolutely no motivation why she decided to murder thousands of innocent lives. Her army already won! The bells rang! She's done plenty of spiteful things, but it was always against people who have actually wronged her in some way. There was no build up, no reasoning, just more sudden sure for the sake of it that keeps happening in this season.

[Amy Jade]

Jaime's hand grew back

[Tom4784]

I'm not as angry as I thought I'd be, I'm just mostly apathetic to it all and a little disappointed. I found it all very dull in all honesty.

Daenerys' character arc has been utterly destroyed, seven seasons of character development wiped out in two episodes. It's lazy writing, it's disregarding character development to force her into the final villain role and it doesn't fit who she is. They've tried the mad queen angle before with her and it didn't work then and it doesn't work now. Choosing to destroy King's Landing was just a matter of plot convenience and the plot should never lead the characters, the characters should lead the plot.

The writing was also poor, we've spent this season and last season with Dany's resources being depleted and all that didn't matter in the end since she still won with ease. It's bad writing and the fact that Cersei just stood watching as it all happened was dumb. She would have had another plan, she would have used the wildfire (I think the wildfire in this episode was just the vats left over by the Mad King's plan to destroy KL) or had something else planned.

I also hated the Jamie/Euron fight since it was pointless and didn't make sense. Why would Euron stay to pick a fight with Jamie? It served no purpose other than the plot.

As for the few things I did enjoy, I thought Cersei's final scene was great and along with Tyrion and Jamie's farewell, they were two of the only well written scenes in the past two episodes.

I just don't care about the final episode, I'll watch it just to complete the series but if I rewatch GOT in future, I'm just gonna pretend the series ended with the Battle of Winterfell which is ironic since for years I didn't want the White Walkers to be the endgame but the writing has just been beyond terrible since the NK died.

[bitontheslide]

i was quite surprised to see a rather sizeable dothraki army, i thought only a couple of them survived the NK