[Jase.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm hoping that HBO **** those two writers off ASAP, I won't watch the spinoff if they are behind it.

I believe they are executive producers

[Daniel.]

Ya’ll seemed to think they were great until ep 3 of this season lmaooo

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Ya’ll seemed to think they were great until ep 3 of this season lmaooo

Because... they were

Before this season they had only had ONE episode below 75 on RT

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Ya’ll seemed to think they were great until ep 3 of this season lmaooo

They had some poor moments once they passed the books but the writing has never been this bad. The show has died on it's arse and it happened over the course of two episodes.

The writing has taken a dive to a point that it's difficult to comprehend how HBO okayed this.

[reece(:]

oop at s5e06

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Jase.

I believe they are executive producers

I can live with that enough. The show’s production is still excellent. Just keep them away from the ****ing writers room.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Because... they were

Before this season they had only had ONE episode below 75 on RT

What season 4 episode was so low?

I don’t recall anything that bad from there..

Edit: never mind. I read the graph wrong LOL. Yeah, they truly ****ed Dorne on the show.

[bitontheslide]

The current season has been affected by it being rushed too much. When you do that the whole concept loses credibility and the writing suffers accordingly.

There must have been a reason for them trying to wrap everything up so quickly .... whatever that was, that's what caused the dip

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Didn’t say that, the writing has been poor in some places, but the Dany stuff isn’t one and your blind to it because you stan her

Stop thinking people hate the Dany stuff because it means people stan her. It's being ignorant to the numerous complaints many people have brought up.

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Its a tv show loves

Yet you can't seem to accept people having a negative opinion about it

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Jase.

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-...petent-writers

Over 95,000 signatures so far, demanding season 8 be remade

244,966 now, including my own.

Petitions always fail from my experience though

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

In a world that she realised regardless of what she did she was never going to receive the love and respect she wanted as Queen, it came from her own mouth. Even if she'd just killed Cersei then what? there would still be ill feeling towards her and she'd never be fully embraced when there's people who know Jon is the rightful heir to the throne, which obviously wasn't the reign she wanted. That combined with the emotion of losing those closest to her and the feeling everything she'd spent years working for had crumbled around her left her desperate and in her mind feeling she had no other choice than to take the 'rule by fear' route. You could literally tell by the emotion in her face before she chose to attack that she still seemed conflicted on what she was about to do but ultimately felt it had to be done.

All of these sequences happened in the past two episodes. Aside from Jorah's death (which also made no sense since he was fighting thousands of wights inside the damn castle) these back-to-back tragedies came across as terribly executed plot devices with the sole intention of stripping everything away from her and to portray her as a raging lunatic. Their sloppy, rushed execution is why people are up-in-arms about this whole ordeal. None of it makes sense other than them desperately wanting us to view her as her father's daughter and not as her own person.

Further to that how on earth are people not going to be scared of the bitch with a DRAGON anyway, regardless of if she burned the city or not, she’s got a Dragon, you’d be terrified

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

All of these sequences happened in the past two episodes. Aside from Jorah's death (which also made no sense since he was fighting thousands of wights inside the damn castle) these back-to-back tragedies came across as terribly executed plot devices with the sole intention of stripping everything away from her and to portray her as a raging lunatic. Their sloppy, rushed execution is why people are up-in-arms about this whole ordeal. None of it makes sense other than them desperately wanting us to view her as her father's daughter and not as her own person.

Further to that how on earth are people not going to be scared of the bitch with a DRAGON anyway, regardless of if she burned the city or not, she’s got a Dragon, you’d be terrified

And my biggest annoyance with it is that they basically make out that Jon rejecting her pushed her over the edge. It's so cheap and sexist. Like with all the things she's went through since the start of the series, her long lost nephew who she's known for 5 minutes not wanting to shag her is that thing that makes her burn innocent kids alive? Come oooon

*I'm not even a Dany fan

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And my biggest annoyance with it is that they basically make out that Jon rejecting her pushed her over the edge. It's so cheap and sexist. Like with all the things she's went through since the start of the series, her long lost nephew who she's known for 5 minutes not wanting to shag her is that thing that makes her burn innocent kids alive? Come oooon

*I'm not even a Dany fan

Exactly, they literally reduced her to “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Exactly, they literally reduced her to “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”

And on that topic, Briene gets knighted and accepted as an equal in one episode, then 2 episodes later, she's a snivelling mess cos Jaime dumps her **** OFF. If they ruin Arya next week I swear I'm going to have a melt down

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And on that topic, Briene gets knighted and accepted as an equal in one episode, then 2 episodes later, she's a snivelling mess cos Jaime dumps her **** OFF. If they ruin Arya next week I swear I'm going to have a melt down

Yup, that seriously annoyed me too.

[Vicky.]

I wonder what it would have been like if they added the lady stoneharts thing..I do wonder why they missed that out as it was potentially a good storyline.

Also the turning Jon into Aegon is..stupid.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I wonder what it would have been like if they added the lady stoneharts thing..I do wonder why they missed that out as it was potentially a good storyline.

Also the turning Jon into Aegon is..stupid.

It seemed like he was always meant to be a Tragaryen in the books too though, whether his name was Aegon or not

[Vicky.]

When I was reading the books, there actually semed to be a fair bit pointing towards Tyrion eing a Targ also. Don't remember what but I do remember thinking this

Might re-read soon actually. Stepson took them all like 6 months back and I bet hes not even touched them..or has lost them

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

When I was reading the books, there actually semed to be a fair bit pointing towards Tyrion eing a Targ also. Don't remember what but I do remember thinking this

Might re-read soon actually. Stepson took them all like 6 months back and I bet hes not even touched them..or has lost them

That's right, they kind of implied that the Mad King fancied Tywins wife/Tryions mother and may have raped her. The way they described Tryion in the books aswell, he had two different coloured eyes, one was purple like the targaryens eyes are described and also his hair wasn't the Lannister gold colour. Also, Tywin regularly tells him he's no son of his

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's right, they kind of implied that the Mad King fancied Tywins wife/Tryions mother and may have raped her. The way they described Tryion in the books aswell, he had two different coloured eyes, one was purple like the targaryens eyes are described and also his hair wasn't the Lannister gold colour. Also, Tywin regularly tells him he's no son of his

Think it was an affair, rather than rape.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Think it was an affair, rather than rape.

Nope they definitely implied it was more rapey, Aerys "taking" what he wanted

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nope they definitely implied it was more rapey, Aerys "taking" what he wanted

I thought they already had a history together? Not that it wouldn't rule out rape.

[reece(:]

Lmao

[Denver]

So are we not getting closure for the people at Winterfell?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I thought they already had a history together? Not that it wouldn't rule out rape.

It's up for debate I suppose, that's always the impression i got though :

AERYS’S BEHAVIOR TOWARD JOANNA

At Tywin and Joanna’s wedding, Aerys expressed a desire to rape Joanna, lamenting the fact that the laws were changed to forbid such actions:

When she and Tywin wed, your father drank too much wine at the wedding feast and was heard to say that it was a great pity that the lord’s right to the first night had been abolished. A drunken jape, no more, but Tywin Lannister was not a man to forget such words (ADWD)

Aerys Targaryen has a history of sexual assault / sexual misconduct toward Joanna:

It has been reliably reported, however, that King Aerys took unwonted liberties with Lady Joanna’s person during her bedding ceremony, to Tywin’s displeasure. (TWOIAF)

Joanna did not want Aerys to do whatever he did.

Aerys seems to have viewed women as sexual conquests, winning their attention/love/affection/interest/sexual favor and then discarding them soon after he bedded them:

[Aerys] was exceedingly fond of young women, filling his court with fair maidens from every corner of the realm. Some say he had as many mistresses as his ancestor Aegon the Unworthy (a most unlikely assertion given all we know of that monarch). Unlike Aegon IV, however, Aerys II always seemed to lose interest in his lovers quickly. Many lasted no longer than a fortnight and few as long as half a year. (TWOIAF)

most, indeed, were forgotten within a moon’s turn, for Aerys II seemed to grow bored with his royal enthusiasms as quickly as he did his royal paramours. (TWOIAF)

However, unlike Aerys’s many mistresses, Joanna’s affections seem to have been as invincible as the Lannister’s ancestral fortress of Casterly Rock. Here is a comprehensive list of quotes detailing the love between Tywin and Joanna. I am aware that very little is said of Joanna’s feelings in those quotes, but note that GRRM says their marriage was “a love match” and that characters spoke of “the love between them” suggesting mutual feelings of love between Tywin and Joanna.

When Dany asks Barristan if “there [was] some woman [Aerys] loved better than his queen” Barristan flat out says that Aerys did not love Joanna. It should be noted that Barristan has a tendency to romanticize the Targaryens and their relationships (”Rhaegar loved his Lady Lyanna” which is still a big question mark), so if Barristan says Aerys didn’t love Joanna, I think we can say Aerys didn’t love her.

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