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I didn't hate that episode tbh.

A lot of it was undeserved and it was all built on a bones of Dany's characterisation but they made something passable on the foundation of **** they created for themselves last week.

I actually liked Dany's reasoning in this episode and with better writing in the past few seasons to bring her correctly to the point she was at (Foreshadowing is not character development, people!) the whole Mad Queen thing would have worked well. From what I've heard of the books, such an ending is better befitting Book Dany more than Show Dany. I didn't expect to feel anything this episode but I honestly teared up at the Drogon scene when he was nudging Dany which is something because the thought of watching this episode before left me feeling cold tbh. I thought Drogon choosing to burn the throne was fitting, it wasn't Jon that really killed Dany (It was bad writing that truly stabbed her in the stomach) but her need to rule and Drogon burning the throne was a good resolution to it all. I liked that they didn't end up killing him like I suspected and I thought him flying off with Dany's body was probably the best resolution to her storyline we could have hoped for at this point.

Bran as king is a bit random but the explanation as to why makes sense, plus he was kept around for a reason so I suspected that he'd have a part to play in the endgame. I don't hate him as king though, it's definitely a more interesting end than Jon ruling which would have left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm also happy that Sansa got to rule in the end too. She's been my pick for the throne since the start of the season and while it seemed a bit convenient that the North was freed while none of the other lords thought to separate from the crown, I can overlook it since Sansa becoming Queen of the North felt right.

One of the things I really hated about this episode was Arya's story, it felt like an afterthought and she deserved more. Her ending was weak and random (when has she ever alluded to the fact she wanted to explore the world?) and it felt like a disservice to the character.

As for Jon, I liked his ending. I liked that the Night's Watch was basically code for become a wildling and I'm not too fussed that his heritage was meaningless in the end because if it led to him becoming king then it wouldn't have been satisfying. I predicted he was going to end up beyond the wall and I'm happy enough that is how his story ended.

As for the rest of the characters, Grey Worm was done dirty but I liked the idea of him going to defend Missandei's home and I like the new Small Council and how those characters ended up (although Bronn being Master of Coin was bizarre). It annoyed me a little that, in Brienne's scene, it became more about Jamie than her finally becoming what she always wanted to be, a true knight and a kingsguard. It's nice that they redeemed Jamie's character a little after they screwed him over last week.

Considering how much I hated the last two episodes, I came out of this one feeling a lot more positive than I thought I'd be. It still wasn't great but compared to what came before, it's almost a masterpiece.

My ratings for each episode of this season.

Ep 1 - 7/10
Ep 2 - 6/10
Ep 3 - 10/10 (Yes it had problems but no episode of any TV show has ever made me lose my **** in utter anxiety like this one did)
Ep 4 - 3/10
Ep 5 - 2/10
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I didn't hate that episode tbh.

A lot of it was undeserved and it was all built on a bones of Dany's characterisation but they made something passable on the foundation of **** they created for themselves last week.

I actually liked Dany's reasoning in this episode and with better writing in the past few seasons to bring her correctly to the point she was at (Foreshadowing is not character development, people!) the whole Mad Queen thing would have worked well. From what I've heard of the books, such an ending is better befitting Book Dany more than Show Dany. I didn't expect to feel anything this episode but I honestly teared up at the Drogon scene when he was nudging Dany which is something because the thought of watching this episode before left me feeling cold tbh. I thought Drogon choosing to burn the throne was fitting, it wasn't Jon that really killed Dany (It was bad writing that truly stabbed her in the stomach) but her need to rule and Drogon burning the throne was a good resolution to it all. I liked that they didn't end up killing him like I suspected and I thought him flying off with Dany's body was probably the best resolution to her storyline we could have hoped for at this point.

Bran as king is a bit random but the explanation as to why makes sense, plus he was kept around for a reason so I suspected that he'd have a part to play in the endgame. I don't hate him as king though, it's definitely a more interesting end than Jon ruling which would have left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm also happy that Sansa got to rule in the end too. She's been my pick for the throne since the start of the season and while it seemed a bit convenient that the North was freed while none of the other lords thought to separate from the crown, I can overlook it since Sansa becoming Queen of the North felt right.

One of the things I really hated about this episode was Arya's story, it felt like an afterthought and she deserved more. Her ending was weak and random (when has she ever alluded to the fact she wanted to explore the world?) and it felt like a disservice to the character.

As for Jon, I liked his ending. I liked that the Night's Watch was basically code for become a wildling and I'm not too fussed that his heritage was meaningless in the end because if it led to him becoming king then it wouldn't have been satisfying. I predicted he was going to end up beyond the wall and I'm happy enough that is how his story ended.

As for the rest of the characters, Grey Worm was done dirty but I liked the idea of him going to defend Missandei's home and I like the new Small Council and how those characters ended up (although Bronn being Master of Coin was bizarre). It annoyed me a little that, in Brienne's scene, it became more about Jamie than her finally becoming what she always wanted to be, a true knight and a kingsguard. It's nice that they redeemed Jamie's character a little after they screwed him over last week.

Considering how much I hated the last two episodes, I came out of this one feeling a lot more positive than I thought I'd be. It still wasn't great but compared to what came before, it's almost a masterpiece.

My ratings for each episode of this season.

Ep 1 - 7/10
Ep 2 - 6/10
Ep 3 - 10/10 (Yes it had problems but no episode of any TV show has ever made me lose my **** in utter anxiety like this one did)
Ep 4 - 3/10
Ep 5 - 2/10
Ep 6 - 5/10

...yeah I agree especially with the first bit and Dany’s death and Drogon’s burning of the throne...it felt a bit Lord of the Rings and ‘me precious’ in that it was the throne that had consumed her and filled her with everything that made her burn the city down with Drogon and led her to her death...
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I can't get over this SHOT, ugh the Queen we deserved </3
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Yeah that shot was beautiful tbf

Drogon mourning Dani was powerful too.

Meh at the rest.
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I actually quite liked this episode. Have thougt pretty much all else in this season was crap but..not so much this one. LOVED Drogon burning the iron throne, seems dragons are intelligent and he basically thought 'my mother died for this stupid thing'. Only just finished it.
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I did find Dany speech about 'freeing people from a tyrant' to be ****ing hilarious, given the ciscumstances. Yeah, I have freed all the people by burning innocents for no reason! Go me. Then basically threatening to burn dorne and everything too.

I mean, I have disliked Danys character for ages, but..they turned her into a worse tyrant than Cersei in a couple of episodes. I always found her arrogant and power hungry but not to the extent that she would kill thousands of normal people rather than just going for the army and Cersei, then basically threaten to go kill thousands/millions more and still convince herself shes doing the right thing and that its 'what the people need' or something
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I did find Dany speech about 'freeing people from a tyrant' to be ****ing hilarious, given the ciscumstances. Yeah, I have freed all the people by burning innocents for no reason! Go me. Then basically threatening to burn dorne and everything too.

I mean, I have disliked Danys character for ages, but..they turned her into a worse tyrant than Cersei in a couple of episodes. I always found her arrogant and power hungry but not to the extent that she would kill thousands of normal people rather than just going for the army and Cersei, then basically threaten to go kill thousands/millions more and still convince herself shes doing the right thing and that its 'what the people need' or something
I think her outlook would have made sense if they established her craziness and lack of awareness earlier. I believe in the books, she's written as more of a conqueror who believes she's doing what's right but she also happens to leave the cities she takes in worse condition than they were before so what she did to King's Landing would have made more sense in that context. They essentially wrote her to be Mother Theresa in the TV show and turned her into Hitler over the course of one scene.

Her reasoning was illuminating but the problem was that they didn't lay down the groundwork for her to be seen as crazy, it was just all crazily rushed.
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I didn't hate that episode tbh.

A lot of it was undeserved and it was all built on a bones of Dany's characterisation but they made something passable on the foundation of **** they created for themselves last week.

I actually liked Dany's reasoning in this episode and with better writing in the past few seasons to bring her correctly to the point she was at (Foreshadowing is not character development, people!) the whole Mad Queen thing would have worked well. From what I've heard of the books, such an ending is better befitting Book Dany more than Show Dany. I didn't expect to feel anything this episode but I honestly teared up at the Drogon scene when he was nudging Dany which is something because the thought of watching this episode before left me feeling cold tbh. I thought Drogon choosing to burn the throne was fitting, it wasn't Jon that really killed Dany (It was bad writing that truly stabbed her in the stomach) but her need to rule and Drogon burning the throne was a good resolution to it all. I liked that they didn't end up killing him like I suspected and I thought him flying off with Dany's body was probably the best resolution to her storyline we could have hoped for at this point.

Bran as king is a bit random but the explanation as to why makes sense, plus he was kept around for a reason so I suspected that he'd have a part to play in the endgame. I don't hate him as king though, it's definitely a more interesting end than Jon ruling which would have left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm also happy that Sansa got to rule in the end too. She's been my pick for the throne since the start of the season and while it seemed a bit convenient that the North was freed while none of the other lords thought to separate from the crown, I can overlook it since Sansa becoming Queen of the North felt right.

One of the things I really hated about this episode was Arya's story, it felt like an afterthought and she deserved more. Her ending was weak and random (when has she ever alluded to the fact she wanted to explore the world?) and it felt like a disservice to the character.

As for Jon, I liked his ending. I liked that the Night's Watch was basically code for become a wildling and I'm not too fussed that his heritage was meaningless in the end because if it led to him becoming king then it wouldn't have been satisfying. I predicted he was going to end up beyond the wall and I'm happy enough that is how his story ended.

As for the rest of the characters, Grey Worm was done dirty but I liked the idea of him going to defend Missandei's home and I like the new Small Council and how those characters ended up (although Bronn being Master of Coin was bizarre). It annoyed me a little that, in Brienne's scene, it became more about Jamie than her finally becoming what she always wanted to be, a true knight and a kingsguard. It's nice that they redeemed Jamie's character a little after they screwed him over last week.

Considering how much I hated the last two episodes, I came out of this one feeling a lot more positive than I thought I'd be. It still wasn't great but compared to what came before, it's almost a masterpiece.

My ratings for each episode of this season.

Ep 1 - 7/10
Ep 2 - 6/10
Ep 3 - 10/10 (Yes it had problems but no episode of any TV show has ever made me lose my **** in utter anxiety like this one did)
Ep 4 - 3/10
Ep 5 - 2/10
Ep 6 - 5/10
I can't recall when Arya said it, but she once said "What's West of Westeros" in an earlier season, I believe it was when she was still in Braavos, I think that she only ended up going back to Winterfell when she learned Jon had retaken it. I think Brienne's scene had two meanings, one, it was partly about Jaime and his legacy, but it was also about Brienne being the head of the Kingsguard, the first female Knight of the realm. The first female Kingsguard.

I like to think that the choice to have Kings being chosen will one day lead to a democratic Westeros, I guess what happens after the end is up to the viewers to imagine.
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Sorry smithy But I really was baffled by how he would be fave (at that stage, read the spoilers last week). Basically..surely tyhe cast members put a load of large bets on? Because if te bookies had seen the spoilers, surely they wouldn't even have opened bets because they would know others would see them and basically get free cash?
I think they had the odds but weren’t accepting bets
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Some want to explain why the unsullied or Dothraki didn’t murder Jon straight away after they found out he killed the ****ing Queen and just WAITED until a bunch of lords they have no affiliation with arrived
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I liked that there was hints of Bran becoming more human again, making jokes and such, I guess he needed time to become used to being the Three Eyed Raven, and needed something to keep him in the present, instead of the past.
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Was it just me or did King's Landing look as good as new when they did the time jump of Tyrion & Jon being prisoners? I mean, surely it would take more than a couple of weeks to rebuild it.
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Well... I was left feeling really deflated by that. Like when you think back to earlier seasons and how good it has been and how awful it was written this season its disappointing. It could have ended so much better

Ayras journey of her kill pool list becoming one of the faceless ones etc turned out to be pretty pointless

Jon finding out he was heir and who he was leading the battle of the bastards etc turned out pointless and he was just a sobbing weakling near the end

Sansa I suppose had a good outcome

Bran I have hated throughout so him being king was an awful choice

Dany I have adored throughout and her becoming a tyrant was painful. Emilia played the last episode brilliantly though and I did start to see her twisted reasoning when she was speaking to Jon and then Jon killed her I was like seriously?! The scenes with her dragon though were heartbreaking but the throne being destroyed was a good choice

Tyrions ending was perfect I liked that

I suppose I liked Jon's ending too

But dany and cersei being treat like that in the last season was plain awful

I would have liked to have seen Sam and Gilly with the new baby but I suppose I wasn't that bothered

All the sideline characters I guess got the right endings

So it was alright I guess but it felt flat and could have been better

I also wanted the night king to come back somehow
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I think the bit where Tyrion was a prisoner was a few weeks later, the bit where Jon goes to the wall is much later, like a year or so maybe
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Why would the unsullied hang around for a year? Lol
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