[Alf]

Be British or be German? I'd vote for being British, again.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Didn't this week teach you anything? It was quite clear that Trump was the Queens bitch. He was in absolute awe of her. Being the Queens bitch makes him our bitch.

childish naivety

he likes the pomp bc he is vain and he is awkward around royalty bc he has the mentality of an uncouth upstart, very much like Dubya Bush
that doesn't translate into politics like it didn't translate with Dubya when he made Blair his bitch

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Be British or be German? I'd vote for being British, again.

politics of envy
blame the germans for working hard and being more successful
so much easier than engaging with Europe and building alliances to steer the EU

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

politics of envy
blame the germans for working hard and being more successful
so much easier than engaging with Europe and building alliances to steer the EU

Hitler will be looking down on Merkel with envy, thinking, "I can't believe all I had to do was sell them cars"

[Glenn.]

Leave like last time I voted

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

Hitler will be looking down on Merkel with envy, thinking, "I can't believe all I had to do was sell them cars"

and who is forcing you to buy them

so now you blaming them for producing superior cars

[caprimint]

I didn't vote last night, now I'd vote remain

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I voted Remain in 2016 but I think to overturn the result before it's even been implemented would be terrible for the social fabric of this country and leave so many people feeling angry and betrayed, most would never trust the political system again and it would never be the end of it, those divisions would last for years and years

Lovin' your work as always MTVN.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

and who is forcing you to buy them

so now you blaming them for producing superior cars

We're not on the same wave length here are we?

Can you just let me vote for who I want, for the reasons I want, without accusing me of having some evil scam please?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

We're not on the same wave length here are we?

Can you just let me vote for who I want, for the reasons I want, without accusing me of having some evil scam please?

am I stopping you? how? by disputing your statements posted in a discussion forum?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Alf

We're not on the same wave length here are we?

Can you just let me vote for who I want, for the reasons I want, without accusing me of having some evil scam please?

As is your right.

[Twosugars]

Alf, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you wanted your posts to go unanswered.

I was exercising my free speech.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Alf, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you wanted your posts to go unanswered. Maybe a creation of a safe space on the forum would help? Somewhere where it is safe from being debated

It's just that I can't afford to get in a tit for tat, back and forth with you.

Josy has put me on a final warning and threatened me with a lengthy ban. So as much as I'd like to have a troll contest with you, I can't do it.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's just that I can't afford to get in a tit for tat, back and forth with you.

Josy has put me on a final warning and threatened me with a lengthy ban. So as much as I'd like to have a troll contest with you, I can't do it.

Oh, in that case I sympathise, believe me. You should have told me that earlier.
I don't want you to get banned so if my posts may make you say bannable things I will stop.

Though I think it will do BOTH of us a bit of good if we managed to discuss within the forum rules. It's worth a try? But maybe another time if you don't feel like it.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

EU is poison but being Trump's bitch is a good thing? I don't understand that train of thought at all. If we wanted to, we could have tried to effect change in the EU when we were members but that's not the case now and somehow lodging ourselves in Trump's sizable arse is better? When he has already threatened the NHS?

Being Trumps bitch demands on who is in charge and I doubt Trump will even win his election

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Being Trumps bitch demands on who is in charge and I doubt Trump will even win his election

Out of eu we'd at the mercy of bigger players, staring with America but also China and EU.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But we're still dealing with the referendum aftermath and the problems now are as a result of delaying Brexit. If you actually reverse it then it'll be ten times worse. If the result could actually be implemented then politicians will have delivered on the referendum and as a country we can move on, that's not going to happen if people want to continuously rerun 2016 till they get the result they want. If we leave and then ten years later we decide we're worse off and want to reapply for EU membership then fine but I expect that once we're out and it's a few years behind us then most people will realise that actually the EU is not really that great an institution and being in it is not the be all and end all. Staying in the EU does nothing to resolve the issues that pushed people to voting Leave in the first place

People have voted for manifestoes with promises that've been broken since the dawn of time; take the most recent destruction of the Lib Dems because of some buzzwords about how they'd vowed to "never increase tuition fees" and then the Tories went ahead with it anyway.

I know the overturning of the first referendum would (fairly) cause outrage but I don't see why it's being treated as some holy grail of democracy when the process of election promises failing to be delivered upon has been... a thing forever? Especially when the margin was so negligible and the funding/information on the campaigns from both sides are under such scrutiny.

I just think opportunist politicians are exploiting this vague idea of "democracy" to hammer through Brexit without much consideration for the economic damage it'll do. And if indeed a second referendum were to come in with a "Remain" victory (which I personally think is unlikely, even with the recent MEP party splits being *technically* in favour of Remain but just split across the three or four smaller parties) I don't know why this concept of a "furious backlash" would be any different to the already furious backlash against the concept of Brexit from the current Remain side.

Obviously a time machine would be ideal for Cameron to either: word the referendum accurately or plan some sort of deal prior to even putting it to the public, but... hey ho.

[Twosugars]

Let's quote farage: with 52/48 result the issue would be far from closed

Or David Davis: theres something wrong with democracy if a referendum result cannot be contested