[James]

“Doctor Sleep” continues the story of Danny Torrance, 40 years after his terrifying stay at the Overlook Hotel in The Shining. Ewan McGregor, Rebecca Ferguson and newcomer Kyliegh Curran star in the supernatural thriller, directed by Mike Flanagan, from his own screenplay based upon the novel by Stephen King.

Trailer.

Youtube video

[Tony Montana]

WTF a sequel to the Shining? This is the first I've ever heard of it.

[Twosugars]

Toneh he published the book a year or two ago

Tbf the book was **** so idk

[James]

Interesting that it heavily references the Kubrick film, when Stephen King didn't like it.

[LaLaLand]

Here. For. IT!!

Aw man I hope it's good, I'm not expecting Kubrick-level genius obviously, but you can't follow up a movie like TS with just "okay" yano?

[bitontheslide]

looking forward to it. The original shining was great, i hated the remake

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

you can't follow up a movie like TS with just "okay" yano?

Aw thanks don't forget to vote.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

looking forward to it. The original shining was great, i hated the remake

There was a remake?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Sullen Girl

There was a remake?

there was and it was so sanitised

Youtube video

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by James

Interesting that it heavily references the Kubrick film, when Stephen King didn't like it.

I love Stephen King as an author but I find that his books don't often translate well to film (or maybe the ones that were made were just made at a bad point in time) so i fnd it odd that he wouldn't like The Shining considering, imo, it was one of the best films

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I love Stephen King as an author but I find that his books don't often translate well to film (or maybe the ones that were made were just made at a bad point in time) so i fnd it odd that he wouldn't like The Shining considering, imo, it was one of the best films

It isn't all that faithful to the book though, it left out a lot (...most? ) of the actual stuff about "The Shine" which is a major element that runs through many of King's books e.g. many of the characters in The Stand have it - Mother Abigail being the obvious example, but also Tom Cullen definitely and heavily implied with Fran, but potentially ALL of the plague survivors have it to some extent as they all dream of Abigail / The Man In Black if they're good / bad respectively. Also at least a couple of the "IT" core cast.

Another obvious example is John Coffey, like the drink, only not spelt the same. And lots of theories that "Carrie" also has a form of The Shine.


But yeah, it plays a huge part (obviously...) in The Shining but it's mostly glossed over in the Kubrick movie, despite the... err... title. I suppose that would be somewhat frustrating as an author. It's a good "simple horror adaptation" but the roots are severed.

[Toy Soldier]

Speaking of Tom Cullen; I'm CONVINCED that the "Hodor = Hold The Door" twist is a Tom Cullen rip off .

Throughout "The Stand", Tom (who is illiterate and learning disabled) repeatedly says "M-O-O-N... that spells [insert incorrect word]" at random times, like "that spells bicycle!" etc... then towards the end at a moment where he plays a pivotal role... he just "knew what to do" (because, The Shine) when there's a big full moon in the sky and he says; "M-O-O-N ... That spells moon!".

Hold The Door.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It isn't all that faithful to the book though, it left out a lot (...most? ) of the actual stuff about "The Shine" which is a major element that runs through many of King's books e.g. many of the characters in The Stand have it - Mother Abigail being the obvious example, but also Tom Cullen definitely and heavily implied with Fran, but potentially ALL of the plague survivors have it to some extent as they all dream of Abigail / The Man In Black if they're good / bad respectively. Also at least a couple of the "IT" core cast.

Another obvious example is John Coffey, like the drink, only not spelt the same. And lots of theories that "Carrie" also has a form of The Shine.


But yeah, it plays a huge part (obviously...) in The Shining but it's mostly glossed over in the Kubrick movie, despite the... err... title. I suppose that would be somewhat frustrating as an author. It's a good "simple horror adaptation" but the roots are severed.

I suppose Seems like with the sequel they are focusing on that though

It was a great film though

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Speaking of Tom Cullen; I'm CONVINCED that the "Hodor = Hold The Door" twist is a Tom Cullen rip off .

Throughout "The Stand", Tom (who is illiterate and learning disabled) repeatedly says "M-O-O-N... that spells [insert incorrect word]" at random times, like "that spells bicycle!" etc... then towards the end at a moment where he plays a pivotal role... he just "knew what to do" (because, The Shine) when there's a big full moon in the sky and he says; "M-O-O-N ... That spells moon!".

Hold The Door.

Ohhhhh you could be onto something there actually I do think GRRM stole or maybe stole is wrong, was inspired by I guess alot of other authors he likes, most notably I think JRR Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I suppose Seems like with the sequel they are focusing on that though

It was a great film though

It's an incredibly well made and filmed movie (as most Kubrick movies are), I don't think King has ever denied that, he was just frustrated about some of the bigger changes that were made. As some slight back-story... King's father abandonned the family when he was really young so he has some obvious father issues that crop up in his writing. A very specific element of The Shining, was that the father had his personal demons but ultimately was a caring father and only turned psychotic because the hotel, which was legitimately "evil", got into his head over time and corrupted him (which I guess could be considered a metaphor for general mental health struggles). The book ends with him overcoming that briefly, in time to tell his family that he loves them, he gets them out of the hotel, and then he blows up the old boiler and burns the place to the ground sacrificing himself.

In the Kubrick movie he DOESN'T regain his clarity, he freezes to death still trying to murder his son, the hotel remains standing, and also his psychotic nature is harder to pin down (he never seems like a good or loving father from the start).

It's a major shift in tone and the "father-son" message (that deep down he always loved them) and taking King's family life into consideration, I guess the reasons for him not liking the changes are clearer.

[LaLaLand]

Final trailer:

Youtube video

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

.....The book ends with him overcoming that briefly, in time to tell his family that he loves them, he gets them out of the hotel, and then he blows up the old boiler and burns the place to the ground sacrificing himself.



In the Kubrick movie he DOESN'T regain his clarity, he freezes to death still trying to murder his son, the hotel remains standing, and also his psychotic nature is harder to pin down (he never seems like a good or loving father from the start).....

Judging by the new trailer this film looks it is a sequel to the original film ending rather than the book's one.